Brexit - the next steps

[Nearly Sane]

Treaty of Versailles was a clear mistake in retrospect. I'm not sure about appeasement. We weren't ready to go to war in 1938, but then neither was Hitler really.

Agree - not sure if not following appeasement necessarily relates to being ready to go to war but it's difficult to easily suggest an obvious alternative approach, in part because of the issues of the Treaty of Versailles

[ippy]

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No surprises there with this response of yours L R.

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

I think you might have been.

Another, no surprises there, response jp.

Regards, ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

Another, no surprises there, response jp.

Regards, ippy.

Another no surprise with your response there, Ippy.

Regards Trent

[ippy]

Another no surprise with your response there, Ippy.

Regards Trent

Like it, it's a good one Trent, and you're annoyingly/amusingly right!

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

Is there any truth in the rumour I've heard that 'Our Lord Nigel Farage', is going to be or has been offered a peerage and please I genuinely don't know if there is any truth in this rumour or care either way I would appreciate any replies if any replies could posters refrain from the use of the old Anglo Saxon phraseology, thank you very much in advance?

Regards to all, ippy 

[Roses]

Is there any truth in the rumour I've heard that 'Our Lord Nigel Farage', is going to be or has been offered a peerage and please I genuinely don't know if there is any truth in this rumour or care either way I would appreciate any replies if any replies could posters refrain from the use of the old Anglo Saxon phraseology, thank you very much in advance?

Regards to all, ippy

I hope they have more sense than to offer that nasty sewer rat a peerage.

[Nearly Sane]

Is there any truth in the rumour I've heard that 'Our Lord Nigel Farage', is going to be or has been offered a peerage and please I genuinely don't know if there is any truth in this rumour or care either way I would appreciate any replies if any replies could posters refrain from the use of the old Anglo Saxon phraseology, thank you very much in advance?

Regards to all, ippy

Well he's said that he's twice been offered a peerage and turned it down. While he's a known liar, I don't see any specific reason to doubt him. As to being offered for a 3rd time I wouldn't be at all surprised. Maybe not make it for the New Years Honours but the birthday honours.

[Roses]

Well he's said that he's twice been offered a peerage and turned it down. While he's a known liar, I don't see any specific reason to doubt him. As to being offered for a 3rd time I wouldn't be at all surprised. Maybe not make it for the New Years Honours but the birthday honours.

Heaven help us if that is the case.

[jeremyp]

Heaven help us if that is the case.

It won't make any real difference. However, I will be able to gain childish satisfaction from ignoring his title.

[ippy]

It won't make any real difference. However, I will be able to gain childish satisfaction from ignoring his title.

Ditto any title!

Regards, ippy.

[Spud]

There was talk on radio 4 this morning of Welsh independence if Brexit happens, then it rejoins the EU. I can imagine, way down the line, England being left outside the EU, perhaps eventually rejoining.

[jeremyp]

There was talk on radio 4 this morning of Welsh independence if Brexit happens, then it rejoins the EU. I can imagine, way down the line, England being left outside the EU, perhaps eventually rejoining.

Wales was pretty pro-Brexit in the referendum wan't it?

[Roses]

Wales was pretty pro-Brexit in the referendum wan't it?

Sadly yes! 

[Harrowby Hall]

There was talk on radio 4 this morning of Welsh independence if Brexit happens, then it rejoins the EU. I can imagine, way down the line, England being left outside the EU, perhaps eventually rejoining.

Am I right in thinking that what actually happens on "Brexit Day" is not the UK suddenly adrift of the EU but the gradual disentanglement of the UK from the various elements of the EU?

If that is so, then might it be possible for the process to be reversed?

[Spud]

Wales was pretty pro-Brexit in the referendum wan't it?

The person being interviewed was from Plaid Cymru, and he was arguing for the UK remaining, or else face its entire break up. Maybe it's just his party that wants Wales to be in the EU.

[Nearly Sane]

The person being interviewed was from Plaid Cymru, and he was arguing for the UK remaining, or else face its entire break up. Maybe it's just his party that wants Wales to be in the EU.

Lib Dems

[Spud]

Am I right in thinking that what actually happens on "Brexit Day" is not the UK suddenly adrift of the EU but the gradual disentanglement of the UK from the various elements of the EU?

If that is so, then might it be possible for the process to be reversed?

I don't think a Tory government would allow any independence referendums until the UK was well out of the EU.

Lib Dems

Yes, them and Plaid
"Plaid Cymru will campaign to revoke Article 50 if a no-deal Brexit remains a possibility."
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-10-05/plaid-cymru-to-become-a-revoke-party-if-no-deal-brexit-remains-an-option/

[Nearly Sane]

I don't think the Tories would allow any independence referendums until the UK was well out of the EU.

"Plaid Cymru will campaign to revoke Article 50 if a no-deal Brexit remains a possibility."
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-10-05/plaid-cymru-to-become-a-revoke-party-if-no-deal-brexit-remains-an-option/

And the Lib Dems and Greens want to stay in the EU as  parties in Wales

[Nearly Sane]

Nigel Rotten


https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/15/the-great-brexit-party-swindle/

[Roses]

Nigel Rotten


https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/15/the-great-brexit-party-swindle/

I cannot stand the man, he should be prosecuted for taking the gullible for a ride and lining his own pocket.

[jeremyp]

The person being interviewed was from Plaid Cymru, and he was arguing for the UK remaining, or else face its entire break up. Maybe it's just his party that wants Wales to be in the EU.

Well yes, that's fine and I'd consider moving to Wales if it was in the EU and England wasn't, but, since Wales was generally fairly pro-Brexit, I think he'll have a hard time getting the population to go along with his plan - unless they've since realised that the EU was giving Wales a lot of money and the government in Westminster is unlikely to do the same.

[Robbie]

BJ and Corbyn debating right now. I know this sounds petty but I do wish Jeremy would put his specs on straight. Other than that (which does not affect his speech), he is speaking well. I'm not always the best judge of these things though.

I want to reach into the TV and adjust Jezza's glasses, he looks lopsided. BlowJob looks tidy for a change. P'raps better to just listen rather than watch :-).

[ippy]

I couldn't help noting the how the various links posted on this thread were for either the Guardian or the BBC so I thought I'd have a rough count up and not bother with those links that counted for ten or less, the independent newspaper was the only newspaper that was referred to more than ten times it was referred to twenty times in fact.

Surprisingly, the Guardian and the BBC took pride of place with approximately 240 links between them the BBC 140 links, ten links for The New Statesman, The spectator five, Newsthump nine, The Times five, politics.co.uk six, tinyurl.com seven, The telegraph four, The Daily Mail one, The Express three, The Daily Mirror six, nytimes.com three.

Funnily enough I know what I think I'm wondering about the thoughts of others about these figures, figures that I'll entirely accept may well be in the region of three or four percent out due to it being a bit of a marathon task.

Regards to all, ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

I couldn't help noting the how the various links posted on this thread were for either the Guardian or the BBC so I thought I'd have a rough count up and not bother with those links that counted for ten or less, the independent newspaper was the only newspaper that was referred to more than ten times it was referred to twenty times in fact.

Surprisingly, the Guardian and the BBC took pride of place with approximately 240 links between them the BBC 140 links, ten links for The New Statesman, The spectator five, Newsthump nine, The Times five, politics.co.uk six, tinyurl.com seven, The telegraph four, The Daily Mail one, The Express three, The Daily Mirror six, nytimes.com three.

Funnily enough I know what I think I'm wondering about the thoughts of others about these figures, figures that I'll entirely accept may well be in the region of three or four percent out due to it being a bit of a marathon task.

Regards to all, ippy.

2 things. I'm surprised that the BBC isn't higher - it isn't a newspaper site, it's a news site that has far more consistent and wider coverage of stories, I'm actually surprised that there is any other outlet near it.

Second, paywalls. Newspapers with paywalls will do worse in numbers. Of the broadsheets only 1 doesn't have a paywall.