Brexit - the next steps

[Walter]

The search function is sometimes a wondrous thing.

thanks Trent

I had an idea I might have said that at some time in the past .
Looking at that date , I was in hospital (again) recovering from a heart attack .
The truth of the matter is I didn't vote at all , either way .
Mainly for two reasons ;
1: I didn't know enough about it to make an informed choice
2: I wasn't registered to vote  (still not)

[SteveH]

I think for some people, Brexit is a religion.  You can't argue some people out of it, it's their faith.  Some of the Brexiter vox pops on TV are hilarious, but now I look away.  I guess the English like suffering.

They might argue that the EU is a religion for many remainers. It's a standard sneer against people with strongly-held opinions you disagree with.

[Aruntraveller]

That post was from three years ago, maybe Walter has changed his mind since. Plenty have.

Indeed he might have - but all he asked was to be shown where he said he wanted to leave. He actually stated "he voted to leave". Past tense you will note.

Anyway he has offered clarification so all a bit academic now.

[Aruntraveller]

I say clarification, and then again:

what the hell is wrong with you people,you really don't get what is going on around you.  Brexit  and Trump is a vote against YOU.

Farage gets my vote anytime

[Nearly Sane]

This is utterly beautiful

https://youtu.be/8ZP7Z8ggJy0

[Gordon]

This is utterly beautiful

https://youtu.be/8ZP7Z8ggJy0

Brilliant: hopefully the smug bastard's feet, having shot himself in both at the same time, will heal slowly and painfully.

[jeremyp]

There's no harm asking but I will repeat that sovereignty on its own is enough reason for me to want to leave the EU

While we are in the EU we have a small piece of sovereignty of a very large part of Europe. What's the benefits in exchanging that for complete sovereignty over an loser island containing a significant number of small minded hateful bigots?

and immigration, nothing to do with who we have here, it's all about the numbers for me, I think we have taken in far too many people

The best way to stop immigrants from coming in is to make their countries more attractive to stay in, not to run our country down to the point where everybody hates us.

Don't forget that, stopping immigration, you are also stopping emigration. People are losing their rights just because you have an irrational hatred of foreigners coming here.

I won't be altering my views on these two reasons amongst others.

You talk like a religious fanatic.

[Roses]

While we are in the EU we have a small piece of sovereignty of a very large part of Europe. What's the benefits in exchanging that for complete sovereignty over an loser island containing a significant number of small minded hateful bigots?
The best way to stop immigrants from coming in is to make their countries more attractive to stay in, not to run our country down to the point where everybody hates us.

Don't forget that, stopping immigration, you are also stopping emigration. People are losing their rights just because you have an irrational hatred of foreigners coming here.
You talk like a religious fanatic.

I agree with your post.

[ippy]

While we are in the EU we have a small piece of sovereignty of a very large part of Europe. What's the benefits in exchanging that for complete sovereignty over an loser island containing a significant number of small minded hateful bigots?
The best way to stop immigrants from coming in is to make their countries more attractive to stay in, not to run our country down to the point where everybody hates us.

Don't forget that, stopping immigration, you are also stopping emigration. People are losing their rights just because you have an irrational hatred of foreigners coming here.
You talk like a religious fanatic.

Like I said long ago we're not likely to agree about much if anything about brexit and of course you're entitled to your view on the subject.

The polls seem to be going the leave way at the mo but I wouldn't be surprised if a fly in the ointment turned up unexpectedly.

The remain side can say what they like about all of the Tories I'd probably agree with most of the criticisms but in my area Tory's the best bet for leaving at the mo so they get my vote, unless?

Regards, ippy.

[jeremyp]

Like I said long ago we're not likely to agree about much if anything about brexit and of course you're entitled to your view on the subject.

The polls seem to be going the leave way at the mo but I wouldn't be surprised if a fly in the ointment turned up unexpectedly.

The remain side can say what they like about all of the Tories I'd probably agree with most of the criticisms but in my area Tory's the best bet for leaving at the mo so they get my vote, unless?

Regards, ippy.

Still won't engage on the actual alleged benefits of leaving.

[Roses]

Still won't engage on the actual alleged benefits of leaving.

I agree.  Does he think by leaving the EU tiny little Britain will regain its empire, which wasn't to its credit? We need the backing of the EU, without it we are up the creek without a paddle and then some.

[ippy]

Still won't engage on the actual alleged benefits of leaving.

jp I've just picked up this from YouTube: Simon Heffer The Great War to Brexit: a traditionalist view of Britian

The interview with Simon Heffer where is referring to Brexit is virtually to a  word of how I see the whole of the brexit if you want to know my thoughts on the subject, then if you then want to discuss, discuss with him I have no intention of going into any form of an endless discussion about brexit with anyone.

Regards, ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

jp I've just picked up this from YouTube: Simon Heffer The Great War to Brexit: a traditionalist view of Britian

The interview with Simon Heffer where is referring to Brexit is virtually to a  word of how I see the whole of the brexit if you want to know my thoughts on the subject, then if you then want to discuss, discuss with him I have no intention of going into any form of an endless discussion about brexit with anyone.

Regards, ippy.

Link to clip referred to below


https://youtu.be/LVM0ZFGYjTY

[Roses]

Heffer is a highly unpleasant man.

[Nearly Sane]

Heffer is a highly unpleasant man.

In and of itself, that doesn't make him wrong in any opinions he may express in the clip.

[ippy]

Heffer is a highly unpleasant man.

He may well be a highly unpleasant man, let's assume he is, he still gives a reasonable summing up almost word for word summing up of my views about brexit, that's how it is sometimes, we both think each other has got it wrong about brexit.

Regards to you floo, ippy.

[SteveH]

jp I've just picked up this from YouTube: Simon Heffer The Great War to Brexit: a traditionalist view of Britian

The interview with Simon Heffer where is referring to Brexit is virtually to a  word of how I see the whole of the brexit if you want to know my thoughts on the subject, then if you then want to discuss, discuss with him I have no intention of going into any form of an endless discussion about brexit with anyone.

Regards, ippy.

Simon Heffer is a pompous oaf - Evelyn Waugh without the literary talent.

[SteveH]

In and of itself, that doesn't make him wrong in any opinions he may express in the clip.

No, but he almost certainly is. I can't be arsed to watch it to find out.

[SteveH]

He may well be a highly unpleasant man, let's assume he is, he still gives a reasonable summing up almost word for word summing up of my views about brexit, that's how it is sometimes, we both think each other has got it wrong about brexit.

Regards to you floo, ippy.

Yes, but you really have.

[Roses]

He may well be a highly unpleasant man, let's assume he is, he still gives a reasonable summing up almost word for word summing up of my views about brexit, that's how it is sometimes, we both think each other has got it wrong about brexit.

Regards to you floo, ippy.

His summing up is garbage, it is sad you can't see it.

Btw I prefer littleroses to floo which is why I changed my username.

[Udayana]

No, but he almost certainly is. I can't be arsed to watch it to find out.

The first 10 minutes or so on Asquith are ok but the rest, his opinions on brexit, are rubbish. No reasoned case is presented, it seems to boil down to nationalist feelings or identity.

[Nearly Sane]

The first 10 minutes or so on Asquith are ok but the rest, his opinions on brexit, are rubbish. No reasoned case is presented, it seems to boil down to nationalist feelings or identity.

Thank you for watching it. There's always a problem when someone says go and listen to someone saying something, or read something because it's what I think that it makes it quite hard to engage with.

[Udayana]

Thank you for watching it. There's always a problem when someone says go and listen to someone saying something, or read something because it's what I think that it makes it quite hard to engage with.

Unfortunately my main (personal) problem is that I'm too easily distracted from what I was intending to spend time on

[ippy]

His summing up is garbage, it is sad you can't see it.

Btw I prefer littleroses to floo which is why I changed my username.

Apologies about the 'floo' L R, it slipped me for the moment however it does illustrate our opposing view about brexit, exactly, it's sad you can't see it and you're still a remainer.

We just need to leave as soon as pos and stop shouting down megaphones at each other after all whatever you may think I think it was a fair vote I never thought we'd ever have the luck to get a referendum and I don't/can't know about yourself but I knew as much as I needed to know many years before I put X in the appropriate box.

Regards, ippy.

[Roses]

It was not a fair vote at all, politicians like Boris and the nasty Farage lied to people about the so called benefits of voting to leave the EU. I have spoken to a number of people who  hadn't a clue what they were actually voting for. One person told me they voted for Brexit because their neighbour had done so.