Brexit - the next steps

[SteveH]

Does that in some way mean that this obviously fake news about the UK's shrinking economy due to brexit, you mention, effect the not so fake news that the UK will be regaining its sovereignty.

ippy.

We never lost our soverignty, as you know perfectly well.

[ippy]

We never lost our sovereignty , as you know perfectly well.

OK O C,  you say we never lost our sovereignty, what word is it that you would prefer to use to describe the freedoms we will be gaining when we leave the EU on the 31st.

(It would be appreciated if you could confine yourself to answering just about the word you would use to describe the freedoms we'll be gaining when the UK leaves the EU preferably without some long diatribe of how much whatever it is you wish to say plainly or allude to about leaving the EU you personally don't like).

That is if you have any intention of answering my post of course.

ippy.

[jakswan]

Just reading estimates that the UK economy will be 3% smaller because of Brexit, or roughly £200 billion by next year.  But note, these are remainer lies.

Do you mean 3% smaller than it otherwise would have have been had it not been for remainers dragging out the process for nearly four years?

[ippy]

Do you mean 3% smaller than it otherwise would have have been had it not been for remainers dragging out the process for nearly four years?

Sounds about right to me.

ippy

[wigginhall]

In fact, nearly all negative things are the fault of remainers, surely?  Delays to HS2, Meghan wearing the wrong tights, the Iran conflict, is there anything they haven't fucked up?

[Stranger]

OK O C,  you say we never lost our sovereignty, what word is it that you would prefer to use to describe the freedoms we will be gaining when we leave the EU on the 31st.

Just to remind you ippy, you have been asked multiple times what the advantages of leaving the EU would be that in any way afftects your life and you've totally refused to answer.

How about, now that we know it's going to happen, you tell us one thing that leaving the EU will do to make anybody's life better? One "freedom" that will allow the UK government to do something positive that it couldn't do before?

[Aruntraveller]

* tumbleweed *

[ippy]

Just to remind you ippy, you have been asked multiple times what the advantages of leaving the EU would be that in any way afftects your life and you've totally refused to answer.

How about, now that we know it's going to happen, you tell us one thing that leaving the EU will do to make anybody's life better? One "freedom" that will allow the UK government to do something positive that it couldn't do before?

How many times do I have to repeat myself why I have no intention to put up clay Pigeons for anyone it's all there if you look back far enough, I have left you lot alone after the election, surly that merits a brownie point or two?

Funny enough seeing that Labour, sailors cap, leader twerp buried was more amusing to me than the rest.

ippy.

[Stranger]

How many times do I have to repeat myself why I have no intention to put up clay Pigeons for anyone it's all there if you look back far enough, I have left you lot alone after the election, surly that merits a brownie point or two?

You are exhibiting astounding hypocrisy. You just asked somebody to be specific about a subject that you yourself have constantly refused to be specific about yourself.

[ippy]

You are exhibiting astounding hypocrisy. You just asked somebody to be specific about a subject that you yourself have constantly refused to be specific about yourself.

I asked without an ounce of hostility, or splitting hairs about the terms used.

ippy

[Stranger]

I asked without an ounce of hostility, or splitting hairs about the terms used.

As you were asked before you decided to constantly comment on a subject you then refused to go into details about. Now you want others to be specific about something you refused to be specific about yourself. Can you seriously not see the double standards?

[ippy]

As you were asked before you decided to constantly comment on a subject you then refused to go into details about. Now you want others to be specific about something you refused to be specific about yourself. Can you seriously not see the double standards?

I did specify two reasons why I'm a leaver those two reasons alone were enough for me to want to leave the EU, I have many more reasons I look forward to leaving the EU for but the thread was such a hostile territory where hostility isn't a reason to remain or leave it was and apparently is still a factor on that thread and I am not going to join in with that hostility.

I suppose any of this kind of forum will inevitably have its fare share of semanticists that's the why for, for the previous attempt to nail down a posting on all four corners whilst at the same time making an attempt to go around the hostility of that particular thread.

No doubt any response to this post as well will have some of the leave/remain hostility incorporated somewhere in its text.

ippy

PS I don't see remainers as the enemy I do however think they've got it wrong and that's all, I wish there were a few more contributors to this thread from either side of the fence could see things in this way.

[Outrider]

OK O C,  you say we never lost our sovereignty, what word is it that you would prefer to use to describe the freedoms we will be gaining when we leave the EU on the 31st.

Non-existent?

Is that freedom of movement across Europe? Or freedom to move capital and goods across Europe? Or freedom to work across Europe? To study across Europe?

To be clear, what 'freedoms' do you think 'we' (another term that probably needs to be defined carefully) will gain when we remove ourselves from the most valuable social and economic agreement we currently have?

O.

[ippy]

Non-existent?

Is that freedom of movement across Europe? Or freedom to move capital and goods across Europe? Or freedom to work across Europe? To study across Europe?

To be clear, what 'freedoms' do you think 'we' (another term that probably needs to be defined carefully) will gain when we remove ourselves from the most valuable social and economic agreement we currently have?

O.

We obviously don't have any common ground to start with like I have said before I can't see this EU is something most of us have any area where we're likely to agree, I feel probably as strongly as you about leaving Outlander I won't be changing my pov and you can shoot at that statement as much as you like I expect we both think of each other as blind as a bat to whatever we think is right, can't see that's going to alter.

ippy
 

[Stranger]

I did specify two reasons why I'm a leaver ...

But you wouldn't or couldn't say why those things were in any way bad for people in the UK or how removing them would do anybody in the UK any good.

I have had my rights as an EU citizen - which I value far, far more than my UK citizenship, doubly so in nasty, inward-looking, xenophobic Brexit Britain - taken away from me by people like you who can't even say why it was a good idea.

Then you have the audacity to tell people that we will be gaining some freedoms that you can't or won't actually articulate either.

I'll tell you: the government will now have the "freedom" to trash workers rights, to "review" people's human rights, to lower food, safety, and environmental standards, and so on. Great. And we've elected a rich lying racist with no morality as PM, who doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself. Hurrah!

[Harrowby Hall]

I'll tell you: the government will now have the "freedom" to trash workers rights, to "review" people's human rights, to lower food, safety, and environmental standards, and so on. Great. And we've elected a rich lying racist with no morality as PM, who doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself. Hurrah!

Indeed, Stranger. And someone who not only likes to fuck women but also to fuck business.

[ippy]

But you wouldn't or couldn't say why those things were in any way bad for people in the UK or how removing them would do anybody in the UK any good.

I have had my rights as an EU citizen - which I value far, far more than my UK citizenship, doubly so in nasty, inward-looking, xenophobic Brexit Britain - taken away from me by people like you who can't even say why it was a good idea.

Then you have the audacity to tell people that we will be gaining some freedoms that you can't or won't actually articulate either.

I'll tell you: the government will now have the "freedom" to trash workers rights, to "review" people's human rights, to lower food, safety, and environmental standards, and so on. Great. And we've elected a rich lying racist with no morality as PM, who doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself. Hurrah!

Most of my post 5588 to Outlander would equally apply to you Stranger, however I must admit I would have felt as aggrieved as you about Brexit had the Brexit opposition succeeded in turning over the 2016 referendum result, but even then I would have still found it easy to agree or not with you on various other topics regardless of our differences on Brexit.

ippy.

[Gordon]

No doubt the hard of thinking will be rejoicing on 1st Feb that Brexit is 'done' - I give it until the end of March before reality starts to dawn on them, and by the summer the impending folly will become clearer when the soundbytes and lame promises are exposed as a sham.

Hard to say what the first major problems will be: my guess is that goods to and from NI will be exposed as problematic, as will the prospect of travel problems, where the biggie will be the prospect of 'no deal' at the end of the calendar year.   

[SteveH]

No doubt the hard of thinking will be rejoicing on 1st Feb that Brexit is 'done' - I give it until the end of March before reality starts to dawn on them, and by the summer the impending folly will become clearer when the soundbytes and lame promises are exposed as a sham.

Hard to say what the first major problems will be: my guess is that goods to and from NI will be exposed as problematic, as will the prospect of travel problems, where the biggie will be the prospect of 'no deal' at the end of the calendar year.   

They won't change their minds - they'll contrive to blame all the problems on remainers.

[ippy]

No doubt the hard of thinking will be rejoicing on 1st Feb that Brexit is 'done' - I give it until the end of March before reality starts to dawn on them, and by the summer the impending folly will become clearer when the soundbytes and lame promises are exposed as a sham.

Hard to say what the first major problems will be: my guess is that goods to and from NI will be exposed as problematic, as will the prospect of travel problems, where the biggie will be the prospect of 'no deal' at the end of the calendar year.   

Whatever happens we will no longer be a part of that ever closer union, the EU anymore, the UK, as far as I know, isn't exactly known for being brain dead or incapable of doing trade with the world and why shouldn't we continue to get along with the EU in all sorts of ways without being tied to them politically.

By the way, I cannot stand that noise that's often referred to as country music either, if you enjoy music why listen to that stuff?

ippy.

[SteveH]

Leave.EU wanted churches to ring their bells on Feb.1st, but the national bell-ringing organisation has said it doesn't support the idea. Churches which refuse should get a no-bell prize.

[ippy]

Leave.EU wanted churches to ring their bells on Feb.1st, but the national bell-ringing organisation has said it doesn't support the idea. Churches which refuse should get a no-bell prize.

Jocelyn Bell Burnell got in before you there with the no-bell prize statement O E, the two men Messrs Hewish and Kyle managed to get the Nobell prize for the discovery of Pulsars when she should have been included at the same time quite a while back, I think it was about two years ago she too was recognised as an equal partner with the two blokes, justice served in the end.

ippy.

PS on a more serious side the brexit argument's over now why don't we drop it and try to get along with each other.

[Outrider]

We obviously don't have any common ground to start with like I have said before I can't see this EU is something most of us have any area where we're likely to agree, I feel probably as strongly as you about leaving Outlander I won't be changing my pov and you can shoot at that statement as much as you like I expect we both think of each other as blind as a bat to whatever we think is right, can't see that's going to alter.

If you aren't bothered with engaging, why post?  Isn't that pretty much the definition of trolling?

O.

[ippy]

If you aren't bothered with engaging, why post?  Isn't that pretty much the definition of trolling?

O.

So I can't even say separation from the EU politically is enough reason for me, on its own, it's reason enough for me to want to leave the EU, I'm sure there wasn't anything abusive or troll like in that statement, I don't like the remain point of view on brexit nor can I remember being abusive about the remain view of brexit either.

[Gordon]

Leave.EU wanted churches to ring their bells on Feb.1st, but the national bell-ringing organisation has said it doesn't support the idea. Churches which refuse should get a no-bell prize.

On that theme - I have to laugh at the jingoistic notion of getting Big Ben to chime for Brexit via being funded by the public: not only won't we hear it here in Scotland, or indeed in deepest Hertfordshire, but this is another London-centric idea that doesn't travel well.

No wonder some of us regard Brexit with contempt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51107646