Brexit - the next steps

[ippy]

37% of the electorate (a little more than one third) voted to leave the EU. The vote was legally advisory not mandatory. The referendum campaign was poorly organised and the "No" campaign was largely in the hands of a group of millionaires concerned with protecting their wealth from reasonable taxation.

The incompetent prime minister who organised the referendum for purely party management reasons promptly took the cowards way out. His successor was clueless and she has been followed by a self-interested man who has spent many years courting popularity by appearing to be an amiable buffoon on television programmes.

A possible consequence is that membership of the largest free-trade, openly democratic, group of countries in the world may be jettisoned in favour of becoming the unofficial 51st state of the right-wing, religiously fundamental, gun-toting USA.

What were the percentages of the recent general election, I don't know the figures, should it be turned over for any reason?

ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

Brexit seems to be pulling out so much of this language, a shame.

Yes get really upset about a four letter word. So much easier to get enraged about that, than about the killing of an elected representative of the people by a Brexiteer.

[Aruntraveller]

What were the percentages of the recent general election, I don't know the figures, should it be turned over for any reason?

ippy.

For the hard of thinking our democracy is not representative. My vote as a Labour voter was not worth as much as your vote as a Conservative (at this election) voter. We need a system that reflects more accurately the split of votes in this country. In other words we need to ditch first past the post.

That the Tories achieved 45% of the vote should tell any thinking person that they should not have a majority, let alone a huge one that in no way reflects the make up of the UK. This continued electoral deficit has the effect of distorting political thinking in this country. It is wrong. It is undemocratic and it leads to governments that pay lip service to the will of the people.

[Sassy]

   



And how do you think the good people of Northern Ireland will feel about that - or d
on't they count?

Are you suggesting that Northern Ireland takes pride of place above the needs and wants of England, Scotland and Wales?
They did take part in the vote and like the rest of those voting knew that the most voted for is the outcome of the vote to go ahead,, didn't they?
Anchormaan this is not about one country or  their particular wants. This is about the wants of the united nations as a whole. Brexit was voted for and that is is what is happening.  It is the many not the few which is the deciding vote.

[SteveH]

12 3/4 hours into the brave, bright, exciting new future for our great country! (Sarcasm alert.)
I've got an indelible marker ready, to deface any of those hypocritically-messaged 50p pieces that come my way.

[Anchorman]

Are you suggesting that Northern Ireland takes pride of place above the needs and wants of England, Scotland and Wales?
They did take part in the vote and like the rest of those voting knew that the most voted for is the outcome of the vote to go ahead,, didn't they?
Anchormaan this is not about one country or  their particular wants. This is about the wants of the united nations as a whole. Brexit was voted for and that is is what is happening.  It is the many not the few which is the deciding vote.

I'm suggesting that, in this corrupt, moribund farcwe of a union, the overweening influence of one of the four nations as opposed to others, festers and serves to undermine any unity Boris the liar excpects as a dividend from his policies.

[ippy]

For the hard of thinking our democracy is not representative. My vote as a Labour voter was not worth as much as your vote as a Conservative (at this election) voter. We need a system that reflects more accurately the split of votes in this country. In other words we need to ditch first past the post.

That the Tories achieved 45% of the vote should tell any thinking person that they should not have a majority, let alone a huge one that in no way reflects the make up of the UK. This continued electoral deficit has the effect of distorting political thinking in this country. It is wrong. It is undemocratic and it leads to governments that pay lip service to the will of the people.

This point has been discussed on the BBC's Radio 4 'Any Questions' programme this week, 31st Jan 20, it's a difficult one whether we go for PR or a first past the post system they're both very debatable have a listen Trent.

I don't think you can justifiably accuse this government of only paying lip service to the application of Brexit, no matter how much you may dislike the end product.

ippy.

[Gordon]

A taste of things to come, perhaps.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

[ippy]

Yes get really upset about a four letter word. So much easier to get enraged about that, than about the killing of an elected representative of the people by a Brexiteer.

Like I said 'disappointed', certainly not upset or enraged, believe it or not I probably like you live in the real world.

I've never mentioned anything about that horrendous murder of Joe Cox, so it's a bit of a jump from that to where you seem to be accusing me of going along with this murder committed by an obviously commitable nutter that happened to mumble something about Brexit, where does all of that lot come from Trent? Surly it can't be that bad?   

ippy

[ippy]

A taste of things to come, perhaps.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

The Guardian again, no BBC link?

Regards, ippy.

[Gordon]

The Guardian again, no BBC link?

Regards, ippy.

The Guardian is a reputable source, ippy.

[Robbie]

Ippy:- I suppose at age 77 years I can be firmly be included among the 'old gits' section of society perhaps that's why I have difficulty understanding why there appears to be so much overuse of the old Anglo Saxon four letter expletives these days, I find its use more disappointing than shocking, Brexit seems to be pulling out so much of this language, a shame.
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I doubt it will affect you much ippy, neither would it had we 'Remained'.

[Aruntraveller]

Like I said 'disappointed', certainly not upset or enraged, believe it or not I probably like you live in the real world.

I've never mentioned anything about that horrendous murder of Joe Cox, so it's a bit of a jump from that to where you seem to be accusing me of going along with this murder committed by an obviously commitable nutter that happened to mumble something about Brexit, where does all of that lot come from Trent? Surly it can't be that bad?   

ippy

You were the one who brought up things that Brexit had pulled out, namely bad language. I was just suggesting that bad language was perhaps the least of things it had pulled out, that you or I should be concerned with. But if you are content with seeing yourself as an 'old git' with added snowflake so be it.

[ippy]

Ippy:- I suppose at age 77 years I can be firmly be included among the 'old gits' section of society perhaps that's why I have difficulty understanding why there appears to be so much overuse of the old Anglo Saxon four letter expletives these days, I find its use more disappointing than shocking, Brexit seems to be pulling out so much of this language, a shame.
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I doubt it will affect you much ippy, neither would it had we 'Remained'.

Like so many remainers I too like to think I know what's best for our future generations the only difference is how we see what we think is best and that's why we both voted according to our own individual opinions.

The thought of Brussels handing down their laws to us alone is bad enough  amongst many other reasons that are in my opinion equally as bad for the UK's future.

Regards, ippy.

[ippy]

You were the one who brought up things that Brexit had pulled out, namely bad language. I was just suggesting that bad language was perhaps the least of things it had pulled out, that you or I should be concerned with. But if you are content with seeing yourself as an 'old git' with added snowflake so be it.

How about if I say or write, 'Tea Bag', see what you can wring out of that.

ippy.

[ippy]

But it's more than that, isn't it.  The BBC is possibly the best known and most generally respected broadcasting organisation in the world. It is certainly the UK's best known brand (I don't count royalty)- bringing respect and admiration from all parts of the planet. What kind of government is willing to trash such a valuable asset?

Yes H H, you're not on your own there are a lot of people that think the BBC doesn't have a bias of any kind?

ippy.

[Nearly Sane]

Hmmm - obviously this is the sort of thing that has brought the country together.


https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/racist-poster-put-up-in-norwich-tower-block-1-6494242

[Harrowby Hall]

The thought of Brussels handing down their laws to us alone is bad enough  amongst many other reasons that are in my opinion equally as bad for the UK's future.

Name one law "handed down by Brussels" which has caused you to be personally disadvantaged. You clearly have no idea about the process by which law is developed in the EU.

And by the way, I am older than you and I am not "an old git",

[Udayana]

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The thought of Brussels handing down their laws to us alone is bad enough  amongst many other reasons that are in my opinion equally as bad for the UK's future.

Regards, ippy.

This is what I don't get ... which terrible laws have they handed down to us?

And who are you thinking of when you say "Brussels"? I take it you don't mean the Belgians?
 

[Harrowby Hall]

Yes H H, you're not on your own there are a lot of people that think the BBC doesn't have a bias of any kind?

ippy.

Perhaps, then, you will enlighten me. And while you're at it, why don't you read my post again and see if you can make a comment about it which is actually relevant?

[ippy]

Name one law "handed down by Brussels" which has caused you to be personally disadvantaged. You clearly have no idea about the process by which law is developed in the EU.

And by the way, I am older than you and I am not "an old git",

The fact that the EU court used to be able to over rule our courts was enough on it's own for me to say goodbye to the EU, not that that's all I found unacceptable about the EU, but hay we've escaped all of that, I can't help it you're not that keen on the result, we did, both of us had a vote.

ippy.

[ippy]

Perhaps, then, you will enlighten me. And while you're at it, why don't you read my post again and see if you can make a comment about it which is actually relevant?

Have a listen to Lord Pearson speaking in the House of Lords about the figures relating to the BBC's output on its coverage of brexit.

It's quiet easy to locate on YouTube.

Regards, ippy.

PS We obviously don't agree about brexit and most likely never will, why does there seem to be so much aggression directed toward those that after all are only taking a differing viewpoint to any one that wished to remain, we all had an exactly similar opportunity to have a vote due to the large gulf between the two camps? I didn't see you or any other remainer as a bunch of idiots because you wanted to remain, quiet obviously, I thought you had got it wrong and that was about it.

Regards, ippy.

[Aruntraveller]

The Lord Pearson that is a member of UKIP.

Obviously entirely unbiased in anyway. Ever. Whatsoever.

[jeremyp]

A majority of the British cannot be wrong about what is good for them. 

Why not?

[jeremyp]

This is about the wants of the united nations as a whole.

Do the nations look united you?