Brexit - the next steps

[jeremyp]

However, even though we are leaving it does not mean that the UK is now somehow doomed.

The UK is doomed. Scotland will press for independence and get it eventually. Then it's over. That doesn't mean the individual countries or people in them are doomed, but the UK as an entity is finished.

[Gordon]

John Crace on being excluded from Boris the Liar's speech today (see #5662) and on just how politically perverse he is. As the shambles rolls on I suspect many Tory and Brexit voters will come to regret their naivety.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/03/shapeshifter-world-king-the-pm-boris-johnson-could-be-seriously-unwell

 

[jeremyp]

John Crace on being excluded from Boris the Liar's speech today (see #5662) and on just how politically perverse he is. As the shambles rolls on I suspect many Tory and Brexit voters will come to regret their naivety.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/03/shapeshifter-world-king-the-pm-boris-johnson-could-be-seriously-unwell

I can't believe how much BoJo looks like Trump in the photo in your link.

[Harrowby Hall]

I can't believe how much BoJo looks like Trump in the photo in your link.

You do know that they both were born in New York City ....

[jeremyp]

You do know that they both were born in New York City ....

But I have seen them in the same room together.

[Nearly Sane]

Utterly bizarre

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/no-more-deal-or-no-deal-no-10s-brexit-diktat-to-foreign-office?__twitter_impression=true

[Harrowby Hall]

Utterly bizarre

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/no-more-deal-or-no-deal-no-10s-brexit-diktat-to-foreign-office?__twitter_impression=true

I have had feelings, occasionally, that the United Kingdom is in a similar condition to that of Germany in the early 1930s. I'm clearly wrong - this is closer to 1984.

[Gordon]

I do hope the poor saps who voted for Brexit, and then for the Tories last year, are noting this kind of thing: this is what happens when you listen to liars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453189

[Aruntraveller]

I do hope the poor saps who voted for Brexit, and then for the Tories last year, are noting this kind of thing: this is what happens when you listen to liars.

Unlikely, as a distant cousin of mine said to me yesterday, Brexit means we leave. When I asked her "but how do we leave", she said we just leave. I argued about the effects on jobs and the economy. I was told it was a price worth paying. Leave means leave. There you have it.

Lemmings.

[Christine]

I see those Tory-voting northerners are likely to have their local authority support grants cut so that the leafy shires can benefit: 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/25/former-red-wall-areas-could-lose-millions-in-council-funding-review

Unfortunately, we in the north won't have EU funding to mitigate the effects of Conservative economic policy on us in future.

But not to worry, the magic money tree is in bloom, so at least some of those leafy shires will be losing ancient woodland and picturesque villages to HS2.  Or, should I say, to the most efficient way to get our tax money into the off-shore accounts of billionaires friendly to the Conservative Party.  No doubt some big consultancy firms will be hired to look into the feasibility of a bridge between Ireland and Scotland as well, that should relieve us of a few more millions before it's quietly abandoned for the lunacy it so obviously is.

The new trains on routes around Manchester (don't know if they're still called Northern after the emergency nationalisation that was Stalinist when proposed by Labour) are less reliable than the old bus-style rolling stock.  Two days running there have been failed (new) trains causing cancellations and delays.

 

[wigginhall]

Unlikely, as a distant cousin of mine said to me yesterday, Brexit means we leave. When I asked her "but how do we leave", she said we just leave. I argued about the effects on jobs and the economy. I was told it was a price worth paying. Leave means leave. There you have it.

Lemmings.

Well, Gove is talking about increasing friction on trade with the EU, via border checks, and there will be extra paperwork, for customs checks, also more staff needed, e.g.,  vets, for any goods with animal products.   I am not an economist, but I thought trade was meant to be frictionless?   This was Thatcher's spiel about the single market, so what has changed?

[Bramble]

I get the sense not many people want to notice the repercussions of Brexit. It's a bit like having a good shit. You've created the stinking thing and nurtured it and kept it warm, but the moment it's out and blocking the U-bend there's the impulse to cry 'That's not mine - I haven't been since the weekend.'

[wigginhall]

I suppose the Brexiter argument is that we want to get out of the grip of the EU, therefore trade has to be made more difficult, via border checks, customs, veterinary checks, etc.   This will cause an economic hit, but  will be compensated via new trade with rest of the world.   It sounds a huge gamble to me.

Also, the right wing are in charge, so it is feeding off English nationalist fantasies, but really England is for old white people, and is in decline.

[Spud]

I get the sense not many people want to notice the repercussions of Brexit. It's a bit like having a good shit. You've created the stinking thing and nurtured it and kept it warm, but the moment it's out and blocking the U-bend there's the impulse to cry 'That's not mine - I haven't been since the weekend.'

The best way to deal with a blocked toilet is to fill a large bucket with water, then tip it all in very fast. The pressure of the water pushes it through, works every time.

[Aruntraveller]

The best way to deal with a blocked toilet is to fill a large bucket with water, then tip it all in very fast. The pressure of the water pushes it through, works every time.

Useful for a toilet, not so much for Brexit.

Unless you are suggesting a mass drowning as in The Bible.

[jeremyp]

Well, Gove is talking about increasing friction on trade with the EU, via border checks, and there will be extra paperwork, for customs checks, also more staff needed, e.g.,  vets, for any goods with animal products.   I am not an economist, but I thought trade was meant to be frictionless?   This was Thatcher's spiel about the single market, so what has changed?

We've got lying shits running the country.

[SusanDoris]

We've got lying shits running the country.

It's this Dominic Cummins that I find quite creepy. what do you think of him and his tactics, principles, and so on?

[jeremyp]

It's this Dominic Cummins that I find quite creepy. what do you think of him and his tactics, principles, and so on?

I refer you to my previous reply. Except I might add "devious" into the mix.

[Dicky Underpants]

The best way to deal with a blocked toilet is to fill a large bucket with water, then tip it all in very fast. The pressure of the water pushes it through, works every time.

Not always. Sometimes you have to stick your arm in the shit and gently push with your fingers round the bend. Bloody awful show! I don't know how to expand on this metaphor, but applying the Jeyes fluid to oneself afterwards is probably appropriate.

[Gordon]

We need to flush away this shitty Brexit along with the assorted shits that comprise the lunatic fringe of the Tory party (which covers most of them).

[ippy]

www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf

ippy.

[Christine]

www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf

ippy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitas_(think_tank)

I'll help you out with a quote from the link, rather than just posting a link with no explanation or commentary:

"Civitas, originally based at 77 Great Peter Street, is now based at 55 Tufton Street, in the same premises as Business for Britain and where Vote Leave was originally registered."

And "Business for Britain is a eurosceptic campaign group".

 

[ippy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitas_(think_tank)

I'll help you out with a quote from the link, rather than just posting a link with no explanation or commentary:

"Civitas, originally based at 77 Great Peter Street, is now based at 55 Tufton Street, in the same premises as Business for Britain and where Vote Leave was originally registered."

And "Business for Britain is a eurosceptic campaign group".

OK, has it got everything wrong in the link I've posted?

If the mood takes you tell me which bits.

To be fair the BBC had a rather obvious pro remain bias and more than likely still has, but there has to be some truth in there somewhere between the two, I doubt the possible Civitas bias for leave was needed as much as the BBC taking the remain side was, well it certainly looks that way to me when you see the end result in spite of all the BBC's wasted efforts.

The referendum was for leave or remain as far as I'm concerned arguments for remain or leave were  for pre the referendum and rather pointless after the day whichever side was taken by any individual.

ippy.

[Spud]

Not always. Sometimes you have to stick your arm in the shit and gently push with your fingers round the bend. Bloody awful show! I don't know how to expand on this metaphor, but applying the Jeyes fluid to oneself afterwards is probably appropriate.

I found that wasn't necessary. Usually the poo is still reachable with a stick, which you can use to break it up. Then the bucket trick will work.

I used to have to use this trick with the local Homebase store's customer loos, when I was the cleaner there.

[Christine]

OK, has it got everything wrong in the link I've posted?

If the mood takes you tell me which bits.

To be fair the BBC had a rather obvious pro remain bias and more than likely still has, but there has to be some truth in there somewhere between the two, I doubt the possible Civitas bias for leave was needed as much as the BBC taking the remain side was, well it certainly looks that way to me when you see the end result in spite of all the BBC's wasted efforts.

The referendum was for leave or remain as far as I'm concerned arguments for remain or leave were  for pre the referendum and rather pointless after the day whichever side was taken by any individual.

ippy.

I was simply helping out with some background information about your source, ippy.  You're so exercised about the bias you've decided infests the BBC, I was surprised you posted a link to a paper from 2014 produced by an organisation with an obvious bias. 

Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016. 

I've got no intention of spending any time researching claims you make by proxy, since you don't engage with discussion or provide any evidence worth the name for your views.  Your link reminds me of Spud quoting the Bible as support for his views.