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« Reply #5700 on: February 18, 2020, 03:05:08 PM »
I was simply helping out with some background information about your source, ippy.  You're so exercised about the bias you've decided infests the BBC, I was surprised you posted a link to a paper from 2014 produced by an organisation with an obvious bias. 

Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016. 

I've got no intention of spending any time researching claims you make by proxy, since you don't engage with discussion or provide any evidence worth the name for your views.  Your link reminds me of Spud quoting the Bible as support for his views.

It's just as easy to say: 'The BBC is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016', as it is to say, 'Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016',perhaps with the exception of BBC funding.

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« Reply #5701 on: February 18, 2020, 03:18:46 PM »
It's just as easy to say: 'The BBC is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016', as it is to say, 'Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016',perhaps with the exception of BBC funding.

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You do know you are contradicting yourself here?
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« Reply #5702 on: February 18, 2020, 03:25:41 PM »
I worked with somebody who was in Civitas, quite a gruesome mix of right wing ideas, anti-BBC, anti-NHS, pro-Brexit, and all the usual right wing stuff, e.g., capital punishment, wogs begin at Calais.   I didn't imagine we would have a government like this, next step eugenics.  It's not fascist yet, but how long?
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« Reply #5703 on: February 18, 2020, 03:52:06 PM »
You do know you are contradicting yourself here?

You do know you are missing something here Trent?

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« Reply #5704 on: February 18, 2020, 04:01:12 PM »
I worked with somebody who was in Civitas, quite a gruesome mix of right wing ideas, anti-BBC, anti-NHS, pro-Brexit, and all the usual right wing stuff, e.g., capital punishment, wogs begin at Calais.   I didn't imagine we would have a government like this, next step eugenics.  It's not fascist yet, but how long?

Try to come away from the BBC/Guardian for a while, try the Russian English language T V news channel quiet often surprisingly to me it shows far less bias than or the BBC/Guardian. 

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« Reply #5705 on: February 18, 2020, 04:35:22 PM »
Try to come away from the BBC/Guardian for a while, try the Russian English language T V news channel quiet often surprisingly to me it shows far less bias than or the BBC/Guardian. 

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I can read the words that you wrote, but I'm buggered if I can see a connection with what I wrote about fascism.
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« Reply #5706 on: February 18, 2020, 04:45:44 PM »
I worked with somebody who was in Civitas, quite a gruesome mix of right wing ideas, anti-BBC, anti-NHS, pro-Brexit, and all the usual right wing stuff, e.g., capital punishment, wogs begin at Calais.   I didn't imagine we would have a government like this, next step eugenics.  It's not fascist yet, but how long?
It is certainly very worrying to know that there was an adviser at No. 10 who was not ejected immediately his eugenics views were mentioned. Adam Rutherford was interviewed yesterday on Radio 4 and, being a professional geneticist, he knows exactly what he is talking about.
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« Reply #5707 on: February 18, 2020, 05:20:52 PM »
It is certainly very worrying to know that there was an adviser at No. 10 who was not ejected immediately his eugenics views were mentioned. Adam Rutherford was interviewed yesterday on Radio 4 and, being a professional geneticist, he knows exactly what he is talking about.

English politics is moving to the right, and the hard right.  You can see it in Brexit, the anti-BBC attacks, and hiring a eugenicist.  Where next?
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« Reply #5708 on: February 18, 2020, 11:52:08 PM »
It is frightening. When I think back even five years, there was less fear and discrimination. It crept up on us and is now showing itself boldly. I can't bear to think where it will all go and hope the tide turns.
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« Reply #5709 on: February 19, 2020, 08:19:41 AM »
English politics is moving to the right, and the hard right.  You can see it in Brexit, the anti-BBC attacks, and hiring a eugenicist.  Where next?
Who's the eugenicist?
BTAIM, eugenics isn't necessarily an idea of the right. In the early 20th century, before the Nazis gave it as bad name, it was a popular idea with msny people on the left: Julian Huxley and G.B. Shaw, to name but two.
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« Reply #5710 on: February 19, 2020, 09:59:25 AM »
You do know you are missing something here Trent?

ippy.

What?

Something kike you are willing to support a racist government to get your Brexit done
 And further you are willing to dismantle the bbc because iyo it was biased. You then provide a report from a biased organisation to prove your accusation of bias.

I am not the one missing something here.
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« Reply #5711 on: February 19, 2020, 10:06:22 AM »
Try to come away from the BBC/Guardian for a while, try the Russian English language T V news channel quiet often surprisingly to me it shows far less bias than or the BBC/Guardian. 

Can I invoke Poe's law on this one?

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« Reply #5712 on: February 19, 2020, 10:41:56 AM »
I can read the words that you wrote, but I'm buggered if I can see a connection with what I wrote about fascism.

That's a fair enough and I can imagine how you feel.

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« Reply #5713 on: February 19, 2020, 11:02:18 AM »
What?

Something kike you are willing to support a racist government to get your Brexit done
 And further you are willing to dismantle the bbc because iyo it was biased. You then provide a report from a biased organisation to prove your accusation of bias.

I am not the one missing something here.

I try to make up my own mind on all sorts of things I don't think there are to many lessons to be picked up from the BBC/Guardian the same thing both of them.

It seems to me that it's never likely that convinced remainers will never get the leaver point however approached, that's why I don't see any point trying to explain.

You mention bias, if we don't agree on anything else surely anyone would accept there is bias on any side of an argument whatever the argument happens to be about.

I'm not a particular fan of the Tories save they got us out of the EU and I'll probably not vote for them again, Thatcher finished me with the Tories years ago, I absolutely hated her, something I didn't want to experience but had it forced on me.

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« Reply #5714 on: February 19, 2020, 11:27:45 AM »
It's just as easy to say: 'The BBC is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016', as it is to say, 'Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016',perhaps with the exception of BBC funding.

ippy.

 

Obviously BBC funding is 100% transparent - which is why the Tories can strangle it, or threaten to.  It might be nice to have more transparency about where the money goes, maybe.
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« Reply #5715 on: February 19, 2020, 12:23:13 PM »
Who's the eugenicist?
BTAIM, eugenics isn't necessarily an idea of the right. In the early 20th century, before the Nazis gave it as bad name, it was a popular idea with msny people on the left: Julian Huxley and G.B. Shaw, to name but two.

Andrew Sabisky.  Home schooled and religious.

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« Reply #5716 on: February 19, 2020, 12:29:26 PM »
It's just as easy to say: 'The BBC is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016', as it is to say, 'Civitas is not transparent about its sources of funding and hasn't updated its sketchy summary of where its money comes from on its website since 2016',perhaps with the exception of BBC funding.

ippy.

 

It's easier to say what you write above about the BBC, as it's not true.  On the other hand, I had to do some research to find out about Civitas and what I wrote is true.  Spot the difference.

Come up with any benefits of leaving the EU yet?  Oh, don't tell me, just like all that evidence for the existence of God, no point posting it...

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« Reply #5717 on: February 19, 2020, 01:25:06 PM »
It's easier to say what you write above about the BBC, as it's not true.  On the other hand, I had to do some research to find out about Civitas and what I wrote is true.  Spot the difference.

Come up with any benefits of leaving the EU yet?  Oh, don't tell me, just like all that evidence for the existence of God, no point posting it...

Don't be daft. Crack down on immigrants and the poor, what more do you want?
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« Reply #5718 on: February 19, 2020, 02:34:37 PM »
Don't be daft. Crack down on immigrants and the poor, what more do you want?

Yup, opens up great opportunities for the 8m economically inactive to make loadsamoney in the car washing jobs they have been waiting for.

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« Reply #5719 on: February 19, 2020, 02:58:17 PM »
Hang on .. I'm confused now .. surely the points based immigration scheme should be encouraging people in to do the jobs noone here wants to do, and stopping immigrants getting the high-skilled jobs, so Brits can do those?

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« Reply #5720 on: February 19, 2020, 03:00:31 PM »
It's easier to say what you write above about the BBC, as it's not true.  On the other hand, I had to do some research to find out about Civitas and what I wrote is true.  Spot the difference.

Come up with any benefits of leaving the EU yet?  Oh, don't tell me, just like all that evidence for the existence of God, no point posting it...

We've left and that's good enough for me, try someone else if you feel the need to argue about it and would be difficult to  persuade me the that the BBC was full of as many shining halo wearers working for  BBC as it appears to me that you seem to think there are.

If I were to spend from now till doomsday arguing about Brexit with any remainer I very much doubt it'd make a jot of difference, surely that was why there was a referendum, not just you and I but over the whole spectrum of leavers and remainers we, both sides, think the other side was potty and probably still do.

The in out arguments I would have thought were for the pre Brexit referendum era.

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« Reply #5721 on: February 19, 2020, 03:57:01 PM »
Welcome to Fascism R us.
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« Reply #5722 on: February 19, 2020, 04:19:39 PM »
We've left and that's good enough for me, try someone else if you feel the need to argue about it and would be difficult to  persuade me the that the BBC was full of as many shining halo wearers working for  BBC as it appears to me that you seem to think there are.

If I were to spend from now till doomsday arguing about Brexit with any remainer I very much doubt it'd make a jot of difference, surely that was why there was a referendum, not just you and I but over the whole spectrum of leavers and remainers we, both sides, think the other side was potty and probably still do.

The in out arguments I would have thought were for the pre Brexit referendum era.

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I never thought that the remainers or the leavers en masse were 'potty', Ippy, to use your word, and still don't, so please don't tar everybody with the same brush.
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« Reply #5723 on: February 19, 2020, 04:44:19 PM »

I never thought that the remainers or the leavers en masse were 'potty', Ippy, to use your word, and still don't, so please don't tar everybody with the same brush.

I wasn't aware I was trying to single anyone out, I was referring to leavers or remainers in general terms which I would have thought was obvious

You've just underlined this consistent, apparent wish to keep on arguing after the event by one faction or the other, perhaps you'd prefer one of the following words or expressions: wrong, silly, daft, not quiet there, a bit over the top, is there anything there you would like to use in place of my use of the word potty, please be my guest and use any word or expression you like that means something similar in general terms, of course.

Perhaps you could use something like bloody tiresome, as a substitute, be sure to please yourself enki.

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« Reply #5724 on: February 19, 2020, 06:08:39 PM »
I wasn't aware I was trying to single anyone out, I was referring to leavers or remainers in general terms which I would have thought was obvious

You've just underlined this consistent, apparent wish to keep on arguing after the event by one faction or the other, perhaps you'd prefer one of the following words or expressions: wrong, silly, daft, not quiet there, a bit over the top, is there anything there you would like to use in place of my use of the word potty, please be my guest and use any word or expression you like that means something similar in general terms, of course.

Perhaps you could use something like bloody tiresome, as a substitute, be sure to please yourself enki.

ippy.

So Farage and you had the chance to moan on and on for decades about the great ogre that is the EU, but now we can't moan on and on about the ill effects of leaving.

I don't think you've got the hang of people.
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