If you had a time machine........

[T8-eh-T8]

I'd rather view a time where the notion of nationality and nationalism are seen as the anachronism they are.

Where we can look back with twee nostalgia at the idea that a person's worth can be defined by the accident of the location of their birth, and the myopia of nationhood is but a dwindling memory. 😀

[Brownie]

That's a lovely idea, T8, I'd sort of like to see a time like that too with qualifications:  that we are not all the same, we are individuals and that diversity is celebrated.

Utopia.

[Owlswing]

We have had this subject before. I shall give the same answer as I gave the first time.

I would like to go back to Saturday, 21 October 4004BC. I would like to meet and get to know the people living at that time. The following evening, I would invite them all to come and join me and we would watch the Creation taking place. If there is space in the time machine, I would invite Sassy to come with me. She could do having a break.

If this post is on the level, you disappoint me HH - I thought you had more sense than to be a Creationist!

[T8-eh-T8]

Yes, the celebration of the individual is key.

I sort of think that is the basis of Christian belief. Of course religion desires homogeny, which defies the celebration of the individual. Which may be why religion is Gods biggest enemy, it is man-made, it is corporeal, it is non-spiritual.

Religion is the antithesis to God.

Ironic that humans create God and then devise a system to administer God which then diminishes God, n'est pas?

[Owlswing]

OP - this is already known - it was a lap-dance club for Druids!

#6 - late May 1993 to deliver a condom to Mr and Mrs Bieber

#12 - YES - to both

#17 - Oh ACE - top lady!

Being Pagan I agree with Floo - I would really like to know what really happened - but I will take a little bet - if I went back and found that I was wrong I would come back and admit I got it wrong - here's the bet - I'll bet the Christians wouldn't!

[Brownie]

Yes we would, there'd be no point in doing otherwise.
However, let's face it, we aren't able to time travel (atm).

I've read accounts of people travelling in time and space after taking some drugs.  (Apparently the Native Americans incorporated that into some  ceremonies.  Naturally everyone would say it was  hallucination but to the person, it was real enough.

Yes, the celebration of the individual is key.

I sort of think that is the basis of Christian belief. Of course religion desires homogeny, which defies the celebration of the individual. Which may be why religion is Gods biggest enemy, it is man-made, it is corporeal, it is non-spiritual.

Religion is the antithesis to God.

Ironic that humans create God and then devise a system to administer God which then diminishes God, n'est pas?

Oui.  Agree with all your post.

[SweetPea]

Yes, the celebration of the individual is key.

I sort of think that is the basis of Christian belief. Of course religion desires homogeny, which defies the celebration of the individual. Which may be why religion is Gods biggest enemy, it is man-made, it is corporeal, it is non-spiritual.

Religion is the antithesis to God.

Ironic that humans create God and then devise a system to administer God which then diminishes God, n'est pas?

Yes, 'religion' is man-made..... but don't through the baby out with the bathwater..... Jesus Christ is very real.

[T8-eh-T8]

My darling Sweetpea

My point was to highlight the difference between the human and the divine. As in the natural verses the supernatural.

No baby, no bathwater. I accepted and rejected nothing.

Just suggested that we, as humans, have hiccupped God? By trying g to define the literally indefinable?

(Ok, I hope you remember me as fondly as I remember you, and as such give me the benefit of the doubt and trust me when I say I am both honest and earnest, just like to do thought exploratikn, hence my admiration for you 😀😀).

Ok again, I really don't know what God is?

I come at this from the inside, the religious, the establishment.

But hand on heart, i don't know what God is?

I will consider an by response in the same vein as the question. Not pointing fingrrs, just looking for some clarity

PS, apart from the others I used to love you to the most Sweetpea 😍

My goodness I bad to edit a lot dye to tablet posting rather than of😣

[Harrowby Hall]

If this post is on the level, you disappoint me HH - I thought you had more sense than to be a Creationist!

I'm not a Creationist, but Sassy is. She has so many brickbats thrown at her on this forum that I thought I would give her a treat.

[torridon]

If you had a time machine........

I'd be happy currently to go forward just one second in time.  Just so's I could clear up this confusion in my head - does the future exist ?

[Owlswing]

I'm not a Creationist, but Sassy is. She has so many brickbats thrown at her on this forum that I thought I would give her a treat.

And I thought that she could sink no lower!

[SqueakyVoice]

If this post is on the level, you disappoint me HH - I thought you had more sense than to be a Creationist!

I thought HH had something much more like this in mind...

http://www.theonion.com/article/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-worl-2879

Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.
...
"I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."

"Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."

[Walt Zingmatilder]

OP - this is already known - it was a lap-dance club for Druids!

#6 - late May 1993 to deliver a condom to Mr and Mrs Bieber

Blimey Owlswing...You've done the research...such commitment to comedy.

I'm beginning to see you in a completely different light. 

[SweetPea]

My darling Sweetpea

My point was to highlight the difference between the human and the divine. As in the natural verses the supernatural.

No baby, no bathwater. I accepted and rejected nothing.

Just suggested that we, as humans, have hiccupped God? By trying g to define the literally indefinable?

(Ok, I hope you remember me as fondly as I remember you, and as such give me the benefit of the doubt and trust me when I say I am both honest and earnest, just like to do thought exploratikn, hence my admiration for you 😀😀).

Ok again, I really don't know what God is?

I come at this from the inside, the religious, the establishment.

But hand on heart, i don't know what God is?

I will consider an by response in the same vein as the question. Not pointing fingrrs, just looking for some clarity

PS, apart from the others I used to love you to the most Sweetpea 😍

My goodness I bad to edit a lot dye to tablet posting rather than of😣

Thank you, T8 for those kind sentiments; as I said on the EU thread, I've missed your interesting topics and expressive writing.

Ah, the God question. It seems to me to be far easier to relate to Jesus Christ than to God. It's so easy to think of God in human terms and that He should think and act as a human. How can we as beings with a 3D level of consciousness even start to perceive God and understand how He really works. Jesus taught the way to God was through Him on the spiritual level, but it's the other aspects of God that can be a struggle to understand.
 

[Harrowby Hall]

Squeaky Voice

Got it in 1.

You can have a Gold Star.

[T8-eh-T8]

SweetP

I secretly feel that Jesus was much more like Moses and Mohammed than the Greeks would have us believe. Don't get me wrong, I love drug fuelled sodomy as much as the next man, we have lots to be grateful to the Greeks for, but they did rather take over Early Chritianity and mould it into a certain shape.

Mind you better than those Latin types who took over, with their limited language and dismissal of the mysterious.

Ah well. At least we can ponder God. Nature has a tendabcy to provide an in built self destruction mechanism for various species. When they become to successful something kicks in to trim the herd. Perhaps that is what God is? The thing which stops us from developing into a Nietzsche style superman. Keeps us in our place as it were.

[ad_orientem]

I'd rather view a time where the notion of nationality and nationalism are seen as the anachronism they are.

Where we can look back with twee nostalgia at the idea that a person's worth can be defined by the accident of the location of their birth, and the myopia of nationhood is but a dwindling memory. 😀

Gag! All we need now is for someone to play John Lennon's Imagine.

[ad_orientem]

Yes, the celebration of the individual is key.

I sort of think that is the basis of Christian belief. Of course religion desires homogeny, which defies the celebration of the individual. Which may be why religion is Gods biggest enemy, it is man-made, it is corporeal, it is non-spiritual.

Religion is the antithesis to God.

Ironic that humans create God and then devise a system to administer God which then diminishes God, n'est pas?

Unless you're some sort of Iconoclast you can separate the physical from the spiritual. They belong together.

[Walter]

I'd definitely want to go forwards rather than back.

I'd want to see how history treats Blair. Make sure that our future society understands what a terrible human he was. Would love to see how we are doing as a species. Be nice if we didn't dedtroy ourselves.

I like Tony Blair, T8ty. Not sure about you though?

[Brownie]

History should view Tony Blair as an all round person, not just, for example, the Iraq war bit.  He did a lot of good when he first elected, or I should say his government did.  No-one should be in power too long, they think they can walk on water after a while.  We saw that with Mrs T.

Having watched the start of David Attenborough's Planet Earth Series 11 last night, which was spellbinding, I wouldn't mind being able to flick through some of evolution and view it from a distance.

[Walter]

Planet Earth ll

wouldn't miss it for the world

outstanding

[Nearly Sane]

Planet Earth ll

wouldn't miss it for the world

outstanding

scary snakes

[Walter]

scary snakes

was watching through my fingers. But the incessant background drumming music nearly had me turning it OFF.

[Walter]

Then I remembered the MUTE button ahh!

[Walter]

BTW NS,

all those snakes, its a result of THE FALL. What do you expect?