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Owlswing

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Re: Dodging God.
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2016, 11:30:04 PM »

When and how did you receive your demand?


Demand - Command - not much difference in my book.

Thou shalt not . . .

Delivered in the bible from which I was taught the laws of your God for the first years of my life.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 07:02:33 PM »
erm! because I can?

please let me know what prize I've won. ;D
But it was specific to Dicky, only Dicky could legitimately answer it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 07:14:31 PM »
Demand - Command - not much difference in my book.

Thou shalt not . . .

Delivered in the bible from which I was taught the laws of your God for the first years of my life.
I think that was probably the school curriculum which everybody got..... I never treated it as a personal thing....and neither did millions.
How has God bothered you since?

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 07:19:40 PM »
I think that was probably the school curriculum which everybody got..... I never treated it as a personal thing....and neither did millions.
How has God bothered you since?

So when you were taught the 10 commandments, you thought none of this  has any meaning for me?

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 07:27:06 PM »
So when you were taught the 10 commandments, you thought none of this  has any meaning for me?
Only if I got caught.

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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 11:36:50 PM »

I think that was probably the school curriculum which everybody got..... I never treated it as a personal thing....and neither did millions.
How has God bothered you since?


Please see Stephen Fry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5RtDpva7nE

he says it far better than I ever could.
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An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2016, 11:31:22 AM »
There are quite a lot of variations of this, a very famous one is the Francis Thompson poem, 'The Hound of Heaven':


I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days;   
  I fled Him, down the arches of the years;   
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways   
    Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears   
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.

Another famous one is the poem 'The Collar' by George Herbert, '('I struck the board, and cried, no more, I will abroad ...'). 

Some of them are very well expressed, but they don't really add much to any arguments.   Unless you are going to say that everyone is running away from God, well, you can't prove that they aren't!  Is that a phallusy?


How I see running away from God, is when your conscience is nagging at you and  tells you something needs to be set right and you want to avoid doing so.

It's all the little avenues and avoidances that you tell yourself to justify not doing it.

This comes from the idea that God is actually that little voice that tells you to face up to whatever it is that needs doing.

In the bible, Jonah " ran away from God".

That's how I've always seen it.

It's a sort of "round tuit " things that nag you!

Like that.

We probably all have those, I know I do.

Like I should be doing housework instead of chattering on the Internet  :o

So maybe everyone is running away from things they feel they should be doing.


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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2016, 01:09:06 PM »


Like I should be doing housework instead of chattering on the Internet  :o



Yes, God's a stickler for housework alright. He's been at me for weeks to zap that mould on the bathroom grouting  ;D 

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2016, 01:14:11 PM »
Yeah, but God is the mould on the grouting.  Om mani padme hum!
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2016, 02:07:32 PM »
Dark night of the soul, more like.

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2016, 03:32:48 PM »
But in the mould, there is God in his dazzling darkness. 

There is in God, some say,
A deep but dazzling darkness, as men here
Say it is late and dusky, because they
             See not all clear.

(Henry Vaughan).
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2016, 03:48:00 PM »
But is it God or god? Should I follow Meister Eckhart and 'pray God rid me of god'?

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2016, 03:58:48 PM »
But is it God or god? Should I follow Meister Eckhart and 'pray God rid me of god'?

Nice one.   It reminds me of kill the Buddha, i.e. (well, at least, my interpretation), that we have to get rid of all the images and concepts of Buddha, God, gods, and so on.  What's left?  How would I know? 
They were the footprints of a gigantic hound!

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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2016, 05:04:52 PM »
'Kill the Buddha' would make a fine name for a household fungicide, I think. I may go into business.

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2016, 05:57:29 PM »
Dark night of the soul, more like.
Arh, there's your problem. You need to put the light on first before you can scrub that mould away.

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2016, 06:09:27 PM »
There is a mould in everything, it's how the light gets in.
They were the footprints of a gigantic hound!

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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2016, 06:36:19 PM »
This is insporational stuff.

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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2016, 07:25:00 PM »
This is insporational stuff.
There's a germ of a joke in there somewhere.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2016, 07:26:20 PM »
There's a germ of a joke in there somewhere.

Yeah! Very punny at times.
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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2016, 08:11:34 PM »
Sporadically humourous, I'll grant you.
Let us profit by what every day and hour teaches us

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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2016, 10:28:29 PM »

Sporadically humourous, I'll grant you.


Grant me what, precisely? Absolution for my blsphemy? NO. thanks! A lifetime's (what is left of it) supply of Moniak and Lindisgfarne Mead? YES YES YES PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!!
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

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« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2016, 10:30:04 PM »

Grant me what, precisely? Absolution for my blsphemy? NO. thanks! A lifetime's (what is left of it) supply of Moniak and Lindisgfarne Mead? YES YES YES PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!!


P S - If you do see fit to grant me this, I will, should we ever meet, kiss you feet! Both of them!
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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2016, 10:31:09 PM »

P S - If you do see fit to grant me this, I will, should we ever meet, kiss you feet! Both of them!


P P S - I know! I know! When it comes to Mead I am an unreprentatnt crawler!
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2016, 05:53:46 PM »
In what way do you consider that this pagan is running away from God? Or do you only mean from YOUR God!


Vlad cited St Paul in his list of 'dodgers'. There are quite a few scholars who would argue that Paul's god after conversion was very much a pagan god, exactly in the mold of those ancient dying and resurrecting deities like Dionysus and Attis etc. After all, he broke off all links with the Old Testament in his new-found religion except one - Abraham being justified by faith. Centuries of Jewish belief lopped off at a stroke in favour of a very familiar form of mediterranean deity. He just happened to call the deity in question "Jesus the Christ". Bugger all to do with the Jesus revealed in some of the gospels who said "Not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass away".
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« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2016, 07:31:56 PM »

Vlad cited St Paul in his list of 'dodgers'. There are quite a few scholars who would argue that Paul's god after conversion was very much a pagan god, exactly in the mold of those ancient dying and resurrecting deities like Dionysus and Attis etc. After all, he broke off all links with the Old Testament in his new-found religion except one - Abraham being justified by faith. Centuries of Jewish belief lopped off at a stroke in favour of a very familiar form of mediterranean deity. He just happened to call the deity in question "Jesus the Christ". Bugger all to do with the Jesus revealed in some of the gospels who said "Not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass away".


So you consider that Paul was pagan before his conversion or after it? And my quoted comment only referred to me.
The Holy Bible, probably the most diabolical work of fiction ever to be visited upon mankind.

An it harm none, do what you will; an it harm some, do what you must!