Dodging God.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Evidence of self confessed God evasion in Acts, Writings of St Paul, Writings of Augustine of Hippo, John Bunyan.

Intellectual,moral evasion reported by St Augustine.
Spiritual persecution of the divine by St paul.
Moral and spiritual evasion John Bunyan.

All 3 reports contradict emotional crutch theory.

 

[SqueakyVoice]

Thank you for your time.

Can I have it back, please?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Can I have it back, please?

Nobody forced you on here friend....what brings you to religious discussion?

[Sebastian Toe]

Evidence of self confessed God evasion in Acts, Writings of St Paul, Writings of Augustine of Hippo, John Bunyan.

Intellectual,moral evasion reported by St Augustine.
Spiritual persecution of the divine by St paul.
Moral and spiritual evasion John Bunyan.

All 3 reports contradict emotional crutch theory.

..unless of course all three were written as emotional crutches?
Can you prove they were not?
 

IYCBTJT

[wigginhall]

There are quite a lot of variations of this, a very famous one is the Francis Thompson poem, 'The Hound of Heaven':


I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days;   
  I fled Him, down the arches of the years;   
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways   
    Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears   
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.

Another famous one is the poem 'The Collar' by George Herbert, '('I struck the board, and cried, no more, I will abroad ...'). 

Some of them are very well expressed, but they don't really add much to any arguments.   Unless you are going to say that everyone is running away from God, well, you can't prove that they aren't!  Is that a phallusy?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

..unless of course all three were written as emotional crutches?
Can you prove they were not?
 

IYCBTJT

What do you mean?
I think it takes a big person to own up to being an evader and to write about it.
Perhaps your post is an example of God evasion Sebastian.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are quite a lot of variations of this, a very famous one is the Francis Thompson poem, 'The Hound of Heaven':


I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days;   
  I fled Him, down the arches of the years;   
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways   
    Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears   
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.

Another famous one is the poem 'The Collar' by George Herbert, '('I struck the board, and cried, no more, I will abroad ...'). 

Some of them are very well expressed, but they don't really add much to any arguments.   Unless you are going to say that everyone is running away from God, well, you can't prove that they aren't!  Is that a phallusy?

Not everyone at any one time is running away. Unless by everyone you mean loud and proud pagans atheists and slick Zennists.

I merely suggest a ''might be''......which is frequently met with an ''I'm definitely not.'' Have you ever in your role as one deputised by Marshal Bluehillside ever go on a posse for them?

[Sebastian Toe]

What do you mean?
I think it takes a big person to own up to being an evader and to write about it.

..or someone using their writing as an emotional crutch.

[Sebastian Toe]

Perhaps your post is an example of God evasion Sebastian.

You wish!

[ippy]

Every time I walk across my living room I have to avoid walking into this solid brick and concrete column that isn't there.

ippy 

[Walter]

Evidence of self confessed God evasion in Acts, Writings of St Paul, Writings of Augustine of Hippo, John Bunyan.

Intellectual,moral evasion reported by St Augustine.
Spiritual persecution of the divine by St paul.
Moral and spiritual evasion John Bunyan.

All 3 reports contradict emotional crutch theory.

find a source that proves your point. If you cant see where you are going wrong GOD HELP US

[Dicky Underpants]

There are quite a lot of variations of this, a very famous one is the Francis Thompson poem, 'The Hound of Heaven':


I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days;   
  I fled Him, down the arches of the years;   
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways   
    Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears   
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.

Another famous one is the poem 'The Collar' by George Herbert, '('I struck the board, and cried, no more, I will abroad ...'). 

Some of them are very well expressed, but they don't really add much to any arguments.   Unless you are going to say that everyone is running away from God, well, you can't prove that they aren't!  Is that a phallusy?

Never could understand Thompson's position (let alone Vlad's), since I was for much of my life not fleeing, but pursuing.

However, we know that Vlad likes his "one size fits all" templates.
Not sure whether Francis Thompson would have been so inflexible.

[Dicky Underpants]

Evidence of self confessed God evasion in Acts, Writings of St Paul, Writings of Augustine of Hippo, John Bunyan.

Intellectual,moral evasion reported by St Augustine.
Spiritual persecution of the divine by St paul.
Moral and spiritual evasion John Bunyan.

All 3 reports contradict emotional crutch theory.

Since St Paul was the most fervent believer in the Jewish God, I don't see that this gets you anywhere. St Augustine was a Manichee - also a fervent believer.

[Dicky Underpants]

I merely suggest a ''might be''......which is frequently met with an ''I'm definitely not.'' Have you ever in your role as one deputised by Marshal Bluehillside ever go on a posse for them?

First time I've ever see you qualify your statements of this kind with a subjunctive. Jolly good, this is an improvement.

[Dicky Underpants]

There are quite a lot of variations of this, a very famous one is the Francis Thompson poem, 'The Hound of Heaven':


I FLED Him, down the nights and down the days;   
  I fled Him, down the arches of the years;   
I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways   
    Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears   
I hid from Him, and under running laughter.

Another famous one is the poem 'The Collar' by George Herbert, '('I struck the board, and cried, no more, I will abroad ...'). 

Some of them are very well expressed, but they don't really add much to any arguments.   Unless you are going to say that everyone is running away from God, well, you can't prove that they aren't!  Is that a phallusy?

Herbert's "Love bade me welcome" is another blind spot, in which he identifies part of his reluctance as his sense of sin and inadequacy. I can only overcome the deep repugnance of such sentiments when I hear them in Vaughan Williams' rather fine musical setting.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Herbert's "Love bade me welcome" is another blind spot, in which he identifies part of his reluctance as his sense of sin and inadequacy. I can only overcome the deep repugnance of such sentiments when I hear them in Vaughan Williams' rather fine musical setting.

Moral arrogance on your part?......I bet you can think of loads of people to whom you can say ''I'm alright....you're not alright''.

Sense of sin? That's a Godward thing isn't it?......Inadequacy? That's a human induced thing isn't it?

[Jack Knave]

What do you mean?
I think it takes a big person to own up to being an evader and to write about it.
Perhaps your post is an example of God evasion Sebastian.

They evaded something but you or they can't or couldn't say what.

[Dicky Underpants]

Moral arrogance on your part?......I bet you can think of loads of people to whom you can say ''I'm alright....you're not alright''.

Sense of sin? That's a Godward thing isn't it?......Inadequacy? That's a human induced thing isn't it?

I can think of many things I've done or not done in my life of which I've been ashamed - particularly in my early life. However, I've never felt any sense that I could shift the responsibility for my actions on to some 'divine redeemer', let alone the sense that such an entity was there to to relieve such guilty sentiments. My quest was not a 'drawing back' - but a concerted attempt to determine whether there was anything 'spiritual' there at all. Sometimes I had experiences which seemed to confirm that there was 'something', but in my darkest days - zilch.

[Jack Knave]

I can think of many things I've done or not done in my life of which I've been ashamed - particularly in my early life. However, I've never felt any sense that I could shift the responsibility for my actions on to some 'divine redeemer', let alone the sense that such an entity was there to to relieve such guilty sentiments. My quest was not a 'drawing back' - but a concerted attempt to determine whether there was anything 'spiritual' there at all. Sometimes I had experiences which seemed to confirm that there was 'something', but in my darkest days - zilch.

But I bet your darkest days were when you learnt your greatest lessons and insights.

[wigginhall]

Herbert's "Love bade me welcome" is another blind spot, in which he identifies part of his reluctance as his sense of sin and inadequacy. I can only overcome the deep repugnance of such sentiments when I hear them in Vaughan Williams' rather fine musical setting.

Yes, I agree with that.   Do you know 'Redemption'?  It has that very famous dramatic ending, which I like:

I straight returned, and knowing his great birth,
    Sought him accordingly in great resorts;
    In cities, theaters, gardens, parks, and courts;
At length I heard a ragged noise and mirth
         
    Of thieves and murderers; there I him espied,
    Who straight, Your suit is granted, said, and died.

[Walter]

But I bet your darkest days were when you learnt your greatest lessons and insights.

not at the time , mate  not at the time. SURVIVAL took over.

[Jack Knave]

not at the time , mate  not at the time. SURVIVAL took over.

That was in answer to a post from Dicky, why are you answering it?

[Walter]

That was in answer to a post from Dicky, why are you answering it?

erm! because I can?

please let me know what prize I've won.

[Owlswing]

Not everyone at any one time is running away. Unless by everyone you mean loud and proud pagans atheists and slick Zennists.

I merely suggest a ''might be''......which is frequently met with an ''I'm definitely not.'' Have you ever in your role as one deputised by Marshal Bluehillside ever go on a posse for them?

In what way do you consider that this pagan is running away from God? Or do you only mean from YOUR God!

If the latter, I did not run, I walked, head high, and throwing a double digit gesture at a God that makes demands that are impossible to obey (Exodus 22:18 and the Fifth/Sixth Commandment) and demands our praise for (supposedly) creating things like cancer, poisonous animals, insects etc, allows the Devil to operate to test the faith of his followers, etc etc ad infinitum.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In what way do you consider that this pagan is running away from God? Or do you only mean from YOUR God!

If the latter, I did not run, I walked, head high, and throwing a double digit gesture at a God that makes demands that are impossible to obey (Exodus 22:18 and the Fifth/Sixth Commandment) and demands our praise

When and how did you receive your demand?