Islamification in the UK.

[Walter]

the answer came from those who do not want any more Islamification of our country .
and I am with them.

[Nearly Sane]

That's nice, do you have an argument?

[Hope]

the answer came from those who do not want any more Islamification of our country .
and I am with them.

And what Islamification has taken place already?

[floo]

And what Islamification has taken place already?

None!

[Harrowby Hall]

Brexit my arse?

It's the first time I've the word used as a verb. No thank you.

[Walter]

And what Islamification has taken place already?

Perhaps you live in a quintessentially English village in the Yorkshire dales and unaware of places like Colne , Nelson, Burnley ,Blackburn, Darwin, Luton  I could go on .
Or maybe you live in one of these places but your liberalism has blinded you to reality.

[SusanDoris]

I think perhaps it is not so much Islamisation, as a failure on the part of some groups to adapt to and adopt the British , more laid back, liberal way of things. By that it's very difficult not to mean the basic background CofE way, which could be called  the better way, but really what needs to be strong enough to take over that 'background' culture is Humanism. 

[Hope]

Perhaps you live in a quintessentially English village in the Yorkshire dales and unaware of places like Colne , Nelson, Burnley ,Blackburn, Darwin, Luton  I could go on .
Or maybe you live in one of these places but your liberalism has blinded you to reality.

I wouldn't say that what is happening in such places is Islamisation.  There are also many Hindu Indians who struggle to integrate; similarly there are many Afro-Caribbean and even Europeans (some of the latter being Catholics or Orthodox) struggling in the same way.

Islamisation is very easy to claim, but far more difficult to prove.  A better term is probably isolationism - something that is common amongst migrants to any country, and often carrying on over generations; furthermore, many young people are finding they suffer from it, whatever their cultural background.

[Walter]

I wouldn't say that what is happening in such places is Islamisation.  There are also many Hindu Indians who struggle to integrate; similarly there are many Afro-Caribbean and even Europeans (some of the latter being Catholics or Orthodox) struggling in the same way.

Islamisation is very easy to claim, but far more difficult to prove.  A better term is probably isolationism - something that is common amongst migrants to any country, and often carrying on over generations; furthermore, many young people are finding they suffer from it, whatever their cultural background.

I don't know what your experience is of the places I mention but I know them well and I know what I've seen. It can only be called Islamification.

As for isolation the only people isolated are the indigenous population who would move out if they could afford to.

[ProfessorDavey]

I don't know what your experience is of the places I mention but I know them well and I know what I've seen. It can only be called Islamification.

As for isolation the only people isolated are the indigenous population who would move out if they could afford to.

I work in an area with just about the highest population of Muslims in the country - certainly higher than the places you've mentioned. And actually the communities are well established and stable, so if there was 'islamification' (whatever that means) it occurs a long while ago. Actually the issue is almost the reverse of what you are suggesting. Increasingly these areas a seeing a wave of 'gentrification' - as properties are relatively cheap trendy young professionals (dare I say hipsters) are moving in in large numbers pricing the established muslim population out of the area.

[JP]

Sharia courts? Would that count.

[Walter]

I work in an area with just about the highest population of Muslims in the country - certainly higher than the places you've mentioned. And actually the communities are well established and stable, so if there was 'islamification' (whatever that means) it occurs a long while ago. Actually the issue is almost the reverse of what you are suggesting. Increasingly these areas a seeing a wave of 'gentrification' - as properties are relatively cheap trendy young professionals (dare I say hipsters) are moving in in large numbers pricing the established muslim population out of the area.

I hope you are right but its not my experience.
I worked for about 10 years in the places I mentioned and what I saw was well established communities. They were not communities I felt welcome in.

[Walter]

and as an example I was held in a back room for a couple of hours against my will while the merits of the Qur'an were strongly related to me . There was no violence involved but it was a bit unnerving at the time.

[Walter]

Sharia courts? Would that count.

exactly my point . We need to wake up

[Walter]

Prof Davey
you must work in Tower Hamlets or Newham then. Is that right?

[wigginhall]

I live in an area with plenty of Muslims, neighbours, shopkeepers, friends.  Are they all holding Kalashnikovs under their beds, or what?

[Walter]

I live in an area with plenty of Muslims, neighbours, shopkeepers, friends.  Are they all holding Kalashnikovs under their beds, or what?

you never know, its a worry.

[wigginhall]

you never know, its a worry.

I don't worry, that's your privilege. 

[Gordon]

Moderator:

This thread, originally titled 'Brexit my arse', has been renamed to reflect the subject matter in the OP.

[Anchorman]

I think perhaps it is not so much Islamisation, as a failure on the part of some groups to adapt to and adopt the British , more laid back, liberal way of things. By that it's very difficult not to mean the basic background CofE way, which could be called  the better way, but really what needs to be strong enough to take over that 'background' culture is Humanism. 

What has the CofE got to do with either Britain or the 'british way of life' (whatever that is), please, Susan?

[trippymonkey]

Walter - I live in Nelson but going towards the top of Brierfield way.
Islamification???
Sharia Courts
Halaal sections of supermarkets
Whole areas of just Muslims living, like parts of towns around me in the North West, near Burnley !!

Anyone want to add more?
Nick

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I don't know what your experience is of the places I mention but I know them well and I know what I've seen. It can only be called Islamification.

As for isolation the only people isolated are the indigenous population who would move out if they could afford to.

I actually enjoy wandering around places like Southall - there is a different vibe to other areas - I enjoy the diversity and I don't miss the scarcity of the 'indigenous' population. If every part of the country was the same it would be boring.

On the other hand I don't particularly enjoy the vibe of wandering around areas where people are very loud and aggressive, often due to excessive drinking. I'm not against all bars and clubs - some are pretty civilised and fun. 

I've been to Nelson - once bought some property up there at rock bottom prices to rent out, but sold it all a while ago. Nelson was grey, boring and depressing the few times I visited - not somewhere where I would enjoy living, but I can't say that was because of Islamification.

What specifically was it about the Muslim population that bothered you?

[JP]

Moderator:

This thread, originally titled 'Brexit my arse', has been renamed to reflect the subject matter in the OP.

The subject in the OP is islamification.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Sharia courts? Would that count.

You mean the Sharia councils that make decisions on religious issues for people who come to them for guidance? Even the ones that are part of the UK arbitration services cannot overrule regular British courts.

Not that I am a fan of sharia councils - there have been allegations that they discriminate against Muslim women seeking a religious divorce. But I don't see this as Islamification - it is part of UK culture to allow people to use arbitration or mediation services of their choosing.

[Gordon]

The subject in the OP is islamification.

Moderator:

You are correct JP, and the mistake is mine and not Walter's - I'll rectify it immediately (I'll also drop 'Politics' from the title).

Done that.