Evangelical extremist?

[Aruntraveller]

Sass were your fingers designed to type on a computer keyboard, or your eyes designed to look at the pixels on the screen. Of course they weren't.

Stop posting meaningless tripe.

[floo]

It is a means to and end...pregnancy.
In that it is the only natural way of procreating.
If you abstain you don't get pregnant.

The mouth is for speaking and it is the means for getting food to the stomach.
Because you use your mouth for other things does not mean it was designed for those things.
Somethings were created/designed to be used by the mouth.

However the natural functions are speech, eating and breathing.

YE GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jeremyp]

The mouth is for speaking and it is the means for getting food to the stomach.
Because you use your mouth for other things does not mean it was designed for those things.
Somethings were created/designed to be used by the mouth.

However the natural functions are speech, eating and breathing.

So it is a sin to kiss anybody.

[Walter]

So it is a sin to kiss anybody.

don't encourage her , it hurts my eyes.

[Sassy]

Sass were your fingers designed to type on a computer keyboard, or your eyes designed to look at the pixels on the screen. Of course they weren't.

Stop posting meaningless tripe.

Sassy
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Re: Evangelical extremist?
« Reply #424 on: January 14, 2017, 10:20:16 PM »

Quote from: BeRational on January 09, 2017, 04:00:13 PM
I do not want to procreate every time I have sex.

Do you?

So it does not have just one purpose at all, and you are wrong!

It is a means to and end...pregnancy.
In that it is the only natural way of procreating.
If you abstain you don't get pregnant.

The mouth is for speaking and it is the means for getting food to the stomach.
Because you use your mouth for other things does not mean it was designed for those things.
Somethings were created/designed to be used by the mouth.

However the natural functions are speech, eating and breathing.

Nothing tripe or meaningless about it. The facts in my post and the facts that without fingers or eyes the computer board or screen would not exist. Without sex and children that come from it, no fingers or eyes would exist.

Argue a valid point if you can find one but don't resort to uneducated drivel which comes solely from the fact you cannot stand the truth and the factual evidence being correct in my post.

Even your reply fell when the truth is told.  Why? Why is it you cannot stand the truth?

[Sassy]

So it is a sin to kiss anybody.

Is it a sin to eat, breath or speak?
So how do you substantiate making such a stupid remark?

Go back to sleep till you can put your brain into gear before posting a reply.

[Sassy]

don't encourage her , it hurts my eyes.

Well try putting your brain into gear before opening them.
Might be able to avoid your embarrassment at being so wrong all the time.

[Aruntraveller]

Why is it you cannot stand the truth?

No Sass

I'm quite happy to be uncertain of the truth in some situations, unlike those who are so convinced by their own beliefs that they cannot conceive that sometimes they are misguided by their own thought processes, such as they are.

[Rhiannon]

No Sass

I'm quite happy to be uncertain of the truth in some situations, unlike those who are so convinced by their own beliefs that they cannot conceive that sometimes they are misguided by their own thought processes, such as they are.

A lot of people can't cope with uncertainty. Religion is a very good way of managing that, not just around truth but aroundvthe future, because God loves the believer and so whatever happens there's a heavenly happy ending. There's also the belief that certain prayers and saints can keep believers safe - a superstition that can and does lead to OCD. In fact people with OCD are often asked to suspend their religious practices until they are in recovery.

[Anchorman]

I like doubt - or uncertainty. Whenever it has come along I welcome it, and use it, not as a stumbling block, but a stepping stone on the road. It has helped me deepen my understanding and the nature of my relationship with God.

[Rhiannon]

I like doubt - or uncertainty. Whenever it has come along I welcome it, and use it, not as a stumbling block, but a stepping stone on the road. It has helped me deepen my understanding and the nature of my relationship with God.

But surely you do that with two certainties - that God loves you and that God will save you.

[Anchorman]

Rhi; The certanties of God's love and salvation? According to Scripture, God loves everyone - whether they or we accept Him or not. And the salvation He promised is dependant on our accepting Him for who He is and what He has done. Even though I accept the former, and am confident of the latter, there are always times when questions arise - the "WWJD" moments (sorry about the American). That's where taking a leap of faith in the full assurance and confidence that someone's holding my hand helps.

[BeRational]

Rhi; The certanties of God's love and salvation? According to Scripture, God loves everyone - whether they or we accept Him or not. And the salvation He promised is dependant on our accepting Him for who He is and what He has done. Even though I accept the former, and am confident of the latter, there are always times when questions arise - the "WWJD" moments (sorry about the American). That's where taking a leap of faith in the full assurance and confidence that someone's holding my hand helps.

So Gods love and forgiveness is in fact conditional as you point out.

Some Christians think it is unconditional.

Who is right?

[Anchorman]

 BR, you wrote: "So Gods love and forgiveness is in fact conditional as you point out." No, God loves the world.....(John 3:16 and all that) What we do with that love is up to us. Forgiveness from God is guaranteed on repentance - but the repentance bit's our part in the equation. "Some Christians think it is unconditional. Who is right?" If Christians think God's love is unconditional, then they're bang on. If they think forgiveness without repentance is a given, then they are not. Repentance is more than saying sorry, though. It's being sorry, meaning it and living it.

[BeRational]

BR, you wrote: "So Gods love and forgiveness is in fact conditional as you point out." No, God loves the world.....(John 3:16 and all that) What we do with that love is up to us. Forgiveness from God is guaranteed on repentance - but the repentance bit's our part in the equation. "Some Christians think it is unconditional. Who is right?" If Christians think God's love is unconditional, then they're bang on. If they think forgiveness without repentance is a given, then they are not. Repentance is more than saying sorry, though. It's being sorry, meaning it and living it.

So your god will punish those that use their brain, and honestly conclude that the evidence for his existence has not met the burden of proof?

Is that a loving god?

[Anchorman]

I'm no hellfire preacher, BR. However, from my understanding, God will never force Himself on us (some of the more "enthusiastic" of His followers might have a go at doing it, though). He's made it up to us whether to accept or reject Him and the salvation He offers. If we reject Him, then that's our choice. There are many metaphors for hell used in Scripture; the sulphur pit with optional pitchforks on the side is but one. However, John (presumably the Gospel writer, also wrote this bit - and if you take it with John 3:16-17, it works. It's from his first letter.: "And this is the record; that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has life: he who does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life"

[floo]

Eternal life is not something in which I am interested.

[BeRational]

I'm no hellfire preacher, BR. However, from my understanding, God will never force Himself on us (some of the more "enthusiastic" of His followers might have a go at doing it, though). He's made it up to us whether to accept or reject Him and the salvation He offers. If we reject Him, then that's our choice. There are many metaphors for hell used in Scripture; the sulphur pit with optional pitchforks on the side is but one. However, John (presumably the Gospel writer, also wrote this bit - and if you take it with John 3:16-17, it works. It's from his first letter.: "And this is the record; that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has life: he who does not have the Son of God does not have eternal life"

So, it's believe in me (even though you see no evidence to do so) or I will kill you.

A bit like a mafia boss saying pay me, or your business burns.

[Anchorman]

If God is all loving, as Christians assert, BR, why would He impose an eternity with Him on those who don't want it? He oofers a choice.

[floo]

If God is all loving, as Christians assert, BR, why would He impose an eternity with Him on those who don't want it? He oofers a choice.

Because it is a psycho!

[Rhiannon]

If God is all loving, as Christians assert, BR, why would He impose an eternity with Him on those who don't want it? He oofers a choice.

At what point do the choices run out?

And you must know by now that losing my faith was never a choice. Time was when I would have done anything to get it back. God never showed.

[Anchorman]

At what point do the choices run out?

And you must know by now that losing my faith was never a choice. Time was when I would have done anything to get it back. God never showed.

I honestly don't know, Rhi.
Posting some theology stuff which bored the pants off me while I tried to fall asleep at the lecture won't help you.
All I can say is that I consciously rejected all religion....till I made a decision for Christ.
That worked for me?
Why? God knows!
I've a member of my district - that's an area of the town whose church members are 'supervised' by an elder * - who is a retired physics lecturer.
He lost his teenage faith at Uni, and continued happily as atheist for the next forty years, till one Friday at a golf course something clicked.
Now He's ''back'  - and committed.
(Even though spme would be happier, given his inability to carry a tune in a bucket, were he to sing somewhere else).
I know the phrase 'God's timing is perfect' is trite.
Sometimes, though, it's true as well.


* = normally drinking heavily caffinated tea, eating toxic buns and discussing the telly, constitutes 'supervision' in some instances. Part of the elders' kit should include Gaviscon and Immodium.

[Outrider]

This debate has moved beyond what society decides marriage is, to the ethics of allowing the church and other religious organisations, which define it differently, exemption from equality law with regard to ssm.

That's all part of the same debate.

The facts are that sex has one purpose which is procreation, and any arrangement other than one man and his wife perverts this function.

You think that's a fact - I don't see that sex has 'a purpose', it's something that's evolved which has an outcome that served as a survival benefit at certain points in history, in certain creatures. What 'purpose' it might have in this day and age is whatever purpose we put it to.

People who become members of the Christian church sign up to its principles.

Tellingly, though, you want to write the laws so that people who don't sign up to the Christian church are also obliged to follow its tenets.

O.

[Outrider]

It is a means to and end...pregnancy.
In that it is the only natural way of procreating.
If you abstain you don't get pregnant.

However, if you do it carefully, you can still have all of the fun (hopefully) and none of the pregnancies.

The mouth is for speaking and it is the means for getting food to the stomach.

And for detecting bacteria and toxins... and for preliminarily combatting invading organisms... and for recycling water expelled from the lungs during breathing... The human body is a marvellously complex, multi-purpose piece of equipment.

Because you use your mouth for other things does not mean it was designed for those things.

Or, indeed, that it was designed at all...

Somethings were created/designed to be used by the mouth.

Oboes (particularly, I've heard, pink ones).

However the natural functions are speech, eating and breathing.

Ah, the naturalistic fallacy. Tell me, Sass, how do you get the keys to work on your keyboard, surely your fingers weren't 'designed' for typing?

O.

[BeRational]

If God is all loving, as Christians assert, BR, why would He impose an eternity with Him on those who don't want it? He oofers a choice.

I like the idea of eternal life.

I am all for it.