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Nearly Sane

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Alt Right = Neo Nazi?
« on: November 22, 2016, 12:20:29 PM »
First of all let's underline what alt right is not. It is not Trump, it is not Farage, it is not all their supporters, it is not a majority of their supporters, it isn't even a significantly large minority of the supporters.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

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Re: Alt Right = Neo Nazi?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 02:11:17 PM »
First of all let's underline what alt right is not. It is not Trump, it is not Farage, it is not all their supporters, it is not a majority of their supporters, it isn't even a significantly large minority of the supporters.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/
what Mr Spencer says seems to be true however um-PC it is

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Re: Alt Right = Neo Nazi?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 02:19:10 PM »
what Mr Spencer says seems to be true however um-PC it is
what, that Jews aren't really people?

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 02:29:31 PM »
what, that Jews aren't really people?
I actually laughed out loud at that

Did he really say that, I must have missed it?

however I do not like ANY religious groups and treat them all with equal contempt

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Re: Alt Right = Neo Nazi?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 02:32:33 PM »
I actually laughed out loud at that

Did he really say that, I must have missed it?

however I do not like ANY religious groups and treat them all with equal contempt

So you think someone using explicitly Nazi terns and Nazi rhetoric is funny?

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 02:32:57 PM »
actually that's not true

I have a sliding scale of contempt .

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 02:35:36 PM »
So you think someone using explicitly Nazi terns and Nazi rhetoric is funny?
of course not , I was laughing at how you said it :)

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 02:43:03 PM »
of course not , I was laughing at how you said it :)
So do you agree with him that Jews aren't people?

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2016, 03:01:11 PM »
So do you agree with him that Jews aren't people?
FFS am I using a strange language?  OF COURSE NOT, is that clear enough?

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 03:11:41 PM »
FFS am I using a strange language?  OF COURSE NOT, is that clear enough?
So when you said 'what Mr Spencer says seems to be true however um-PC it is', you didn't really mean that?

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 03:16:43 PM »
Dear Sane,

Three questions.

1. Is the world ready for a new Hitler.

2. Does man ever learn from history.

3. Does Walter think Jews are not people.  ::)

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 03:30:06 PM »
Dear Sane,

Three questions.

1. Is the world ready for a new Hitler.

2. Does man ever learn from history.

3. Does Walter think Jews are not people.  ::)

Gonnagle.

1. We've had genocides since Hitler. Needs only the set of circumstances to trigger.

2. Yes, but the lessons are out of date by being history. Rather like the discussions on the Molecular Evolution thread, analogy and metaphor are problematic and while we might think something looks similar, it is also by definition not necessarily going to follow the same direction. In the 30s with hindsight it might seem that appeasement was the wrong way to go, but in the 30s it looked as if it was to some on the basis of the First World War. I suspect that on levels such as this the lessons that we think we have learned are meaningless.

3. No, I don't think he does. I still don't really know what he agrees with in terms of Spencer and it may be just him trying a little wummery but who knows.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 03:39:23 PM »
1. We've had genocides since Hitler. Needs only the set of circumstancesto trigger.

2. Yes, but the lessons are out of date by being history. Rather like the discussions on the Molecular Evolution thread, analogy and metaphor are problematic and while we might think something looks similar, it is also by definition not necessarily going to follow the same direction. In the 30s with hindsight it might seem that appeasement was the wrong way to go, but in the 30s it looked as if it was to some on the basis of the First World War. I suspect that on levels such as this the lessons that we think we have learned are meaningless.

3. No, I don't think he does. I still don't really know what he agrees with in terms of Spencer and it may be just him trying a little wummery but who knows.
NS re No3

you don't need to 'think' I have just TOLD you.  IS THAT CLEAR?

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 03:53:47 PM »
NS re No3

you don't need to 'think' I have just TOLD you.  IS THAT CLEAR?
Lots of people have told, or even TOLD, me things, it's still up to me to consider whether I believe them. For instance someone told me they thought 'what Mr Spencer says seems to be true however um-PC it is'. I didn't think that was true so asked them about a specific. I still have no idea what he said that they do think was true.

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2016, 03:58:24 PM »
Lots of people have told, or even TOLD, me things, it's still up to me to consider whether I believe them. For instance someone told me they thought 'what Mr Spencer says seems to be true however um-PC it is'. I didn't think that was true so asked them about a specific. I still have no idea what he said that they do think was true.
There is no need for you to know , if you were referring to me. I do not require your approval .

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 04:03:47 PM »
There is no need for you to know , if you were referring to me. I do not require your approval .
Didn't say anything about you requiring my approval. If you are unwilling to explain your position and what you actually do agree with, that's entirely up to you, dear chap.

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 04:09:23 PM »
Didn't say anything about you requiring my approval. If you are unwilling to explain your position and what you actually do agree with, that's entirely up to you, dear chap.
Very gracious of you I'm sure.

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 09:02:47 PM »
Points to Trump on his complete condemnation. Just a pity that it didn't happen sooner.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 11:08:35 PM »
The alt-right is not neo-nazi. What it does do is give a voice to white working class people. I don't doubt you'll find wankers among their ranks as you will with all political ideologies but they do not define the ideology.
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2016, 12:10:17 PM »
The alt-right is not neo-nazi. What it does do is give a voice to white working class people. I don't doubt you'll find wankers among their ranks as you will with all political ideologies but they do not define the ideology.
if I were part of a movement where it is stated by some that Jews aren't people, or where people publish memes calling for the killing of Jews, I would either seek to get the movement to disown them, or get out of it quick. Part of the problem, of course, is that alt right is a chimera of the internet age with a loosely aligned group of people, some of whom claim when challenged that it isn't their real views, it's just a form of provocation, which makes them lying dickheads with not enough brains to know the danger they cause in my opinion. If you ever go into the darker parts of the internet where the alt right lurk, you'll find it has little to do with working class but appears to be a group of middle class, early middle age, anti Semitic, anti women, intellectual  wannabes who appear to have stuck around the age of 14 with Beavis and Butthead as their idols.

In addition to the Neo Nazi Spencer - hailed by those seen as the face of alt right like Yiannopoulos (who is definitely not your pint of lager, ad_o) as being an intellectual leader of the alt right, we have, of course, Roosh with his charming little dog vomit posts about women, see link below.


http://www.returnofkings.com/100669/what-donald-trumps-victory-means-for-men
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2016, 12:28:21 PM »
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The alt-right is not neo-nazi

aye - and the Pope's not Catholic. ::)
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2016, 02:03:14 PM »
Damn , does this mean that we're going to have to fight fascism all over again?  FFS, my dad spent 6 years of his life doing this, along with many of his generation, and now some idiots are resurrecting it all again.   FFF.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2016, 02:06:36 PM »
What's wrong with you? , just calm down.

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2016, 02:23:36 PM »
What's wrong with you? , just calm down.

No, I am not going to fucking calm down.  We are half -way to fascism, with twats like Farage, Le Pen and Trump at large. preaching their poison.   
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2016, 02:27:23 PM »
No, I am not going to fucking calm down.  We are half -way to fascism, with twats like Farage, Le Pen and Trump at large. preaching their poison.
just tell us what you really think ;)