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Re: Being upbeat about Brexit.
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2016, 01:38:00 PM »
I bet most of you people go into a flat spin panic if your pipe and slippers are not within arms length, pathetic.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2016, 01:47:54 PM »
True... but also good for sugar farmers and processors in India and the Caribbean etc where many people have been driven to poverty, despair and suicide partly because of market manipulating EU trade policies.

That is a perfectly reasonable argument, but it's not one that the Leave Campaign presented to the UK electorate. - and I suspect not one they would have been very impressed with.
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2016, 02:47:25 PM »
I notice that the Daily Heil are throwing heavy guns towards various statistics coming out, which seem to show that the most high and most wonderful Brexit, maybe ain't.   Stats on low wages, low growth, massive borrowing needed, and so on - all tantrums by Remainers, you see!
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2016, 03:16:23 PM »
I notice that the Daily Heil are throwing heavy guns towards various statistics coming out, which seem to show that the most high and most wonderful Brexit, maybe ain't.   Stats on low wages, low growth, massive borrowing needed, and so on - all tantrums by Remainers, you see!
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2016, 07:11:12 PM »
Tiny little Britain is much more likely to crash and burn out of the EU!
Tiny is no measure to go by. 65 million years ago the dinosaurs (big mother fuckers, like the EU) died out because they ceased to be competitive. What took their place were wee little mice like creatures and now they rule the world!!!  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2016, 07:16:06 PM »
There was an interesting program about the positive side of Brexit a few weeks ago on Radio 4. The interview that caught my attention was with an executive of Tate and Lyle.

He made a strong case that his company could do very much better post Brexit. Tate and Lyle mainly produce sugar from cane and the EU currently place quite high tariffs on the import of sugar cane while actually subsidise sugar beet production. If Britain abolished these restrictions on the import of sugar cane, Tate and Lyle could expand and create jobs (his argument went). Of course (as the interviewer pointed out) this would not be good for other sugar producers OR the farmers who grew the beet.

A point that occurred to me (but apparently not the interviewer) was that if we are to really go down the free-trade route, the logical thing to do would be to have a whole lot more processing done overseas close to the source of the product where labour is cheaper. Much better for Tate and Lyle's profits - not so good for the rest of the UK.
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Re: Being upbeat about Brexit.
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2016, 07:20:00 PM »
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died out because they ceased to be competitive.

I think you will find out that dinosaurs did not cease because of their lack of competitiveness
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2016, 07:42:06 PM »
I think you will find out that dinosaurs did not cease because of their lack of competitiveness
They didn't compete too well against that blast, and the subsequent change in the environment. Blast 1 : Dinos 0

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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2016, 07:36:16 AM »
I think you will find out that dinosaurs did not cease because of their lack of competitiveness


Dinosaurs haven't died out! - I can see several flying around outside right now.
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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2016, 04:22:39 PM »

Dinosaurs haven't died out! - I can see several flying around outside right now.


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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2016, 06:55:21 PM »

Dinosaurs haven't died out! - I can see several flying around outside right now.
I was talking about the big ones which the word 'dinosaur' symbolically refers to.

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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2016, 07:03:07 PM »
I was talking about the big ones which the word 'dinosaur' symbolically refers to.
Wasn't there a film where Richard Attenborough tries to revive them by combining the DNA of Oswald Mosley, Ena Sharples and Alf Garnett
......or was that the Leave campaign?

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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2016, 07:14:09 PM »
Spoof

'Dinosaur' refers to the state of your lot, i.e. dying out fast.

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Re: Being upbeat about Brexit.
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2016, 07:25:38 PM »
Spoof

'Dinosaur' refers to the state of your lot, i.e. dying out fast.
I belong to a few groups which are supposed to be dying out fast and some actually are......which one are you referring to?

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2016, 08:07:31 PM »
I belong to a few groups which are supposed to be dying out fast and some actually are......which one are you referring to?
You're pro EU and religious. That's two that are dying out.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2016, 08:31:35 PM »
You're pro EU and religious. That's two that are dying out.
Not looking at the demographics Jack.

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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2016, 05:04:16 PM »
Dear oh dear, Mr Hammond is ,according to brexiteers, being a bit gloomy about Brexit.
But isn't it brexiteers duty to be upbeat about brexit?
What they need is a jolly looking frontman who can tell a joke or two and with a track record of being able to belt out a patriotic song with great gusto.
Who else but John Redwood?
I think that the problem is that it is very difficult to be upbeat about Brexit when one believes that it will fundamentally undermine the British economy and also allow important developments - such as environmental regulations  - to be watered down, if not removed all together.
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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2016, 05:24:52 PM »
Not looking at the demographics Jack.
Nor are you.

The demographics suggest that religiosity (and in particular christianity) will decline in the UK, as is has been doing for decades. The demographics also suggest, for similar reasons that the proportion brexiters in the population will decline too as both brexiters and adherents to religion in the UK tend to be disproportionately old.

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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2016, 06:06:45 PM »
Nor are you.

The demographics suggest that religiosity (and in particular christianity) will decline in the UK, as is has been doing for decades. The demographics also suggest, for similar reasons that the proportion brexiters in the population will decline too as both brexiters and adherents to religion in the UK tend to be disproportionately old.
When last I looked the world was not just the UK.. You got some kind of 'brexit of the intellect' or something?

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Re: Being upbeat about Brexit.
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2016, 06:15:54 PM »
I think you will find out that dinosaurs did not cease because of their lack of competitiveness

They did not cease and they will not die out as long as there are humans to celebrate Christmas with a massive turkey dinner.
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« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2016, 06:24:37 PM »
This is so funny  ;D.
Thanks for cheering me up!
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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2016, 06:31:50 PM »
This is so funny  ;D.
Thanks for cheering me up!
Glad you found it funny, it was meant to be so, but there is a serious point. The two traits of being easily farmed and being tasty to humans together make a species exceptionally fit in evolutionary terms, even if most individuals have a terrible time.
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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2016, 06:51:24 PM »
When last I looked the world was not just the UK.. You got some kind of 'brexit of the intellect' or something?
Given that the point was comparing brexit and religiosity and that most of the world doesn't give a damn about brexit then I think there was a clear assumption that we were talking about the UK.

But nonetheless if we want to talk about the world, then fine, and you are still wrong. It is of course very difficult to assess trends in religiosity world-wide but the most respected longitudinal study - the Gallup Global Index on Religiosity and Atheism - shows that the proportion of people saying they are religious worldwide is declining - down 9% over a 7 year period to the last survey in 2012 - with balancing increases in the proportion saying they aren't religious and are atheist.

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« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2016, 07:09:28 PM »
Dear Prof,

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But nonetheless if we want to talk about the world, then fine, and you are still wrong. It is of course very difficult to assess trends in religiosity world-wide but the most respected longitudinal study - the Gallup Global Index on Religiosity and Atheism - shows that the proportion of people saying they are religious worldwide is declining - down 9% over a 7 year period to the last survey in 2012 - with balancing increases in the proportion saying they aren't religious and are atheist.

All very nice and Dandy but the question still remains ( has done for a number of years ) what are you replacing theism with?

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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2016, 07:36:14 PM »
Dear Prof,

All very nice and Dandy but the question still remains ( has done for a number of years ) what are you replacing theism with?

Gonnagle.
Obviously it is being replaced by non religiosity, including atheism.

But why is it necessary to replace it with anything - that is rather muddled thinking I feel that somehow if people cease to be religious that there is a hole that needs filling.