God is the only person who cannot sin or be tempted and tested to do so.

[Sassy]

Not in my Bible he doesn't!

Ah, but he does in the example of the Beareans, they searched the scriptures to see if what he said was true.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Why else would this be in Acts 17:11.

How else could they preach the words of Christ and the scriptures. "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

So why would it mention in Acts 17:11 that these people were more noble because they searched the scriptures daily to check whether what Paul taught was true?

Or is Paul not teaching us that we should do as the noble Bereans do and search the scriptures to check if what is being preached is in line with the word of God. How can anyone obey Christ and live by every word of God if they don't know what it says?

It is a clear directive to search scripture to check if what Paul was saying was true.

[2Corrie]

Ah, but he does in the example of the Beareans, they searched the scriptures to see if what he said was true.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Why else would this be in Acts 17:11.

How else could they preach the words of Christ and the scriptures. "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

So why would it mention in Acts 17:11 that these people were more noble because they searched the scriptures daily to check whether what Paul taught was true?

Or is Paul not teaching us that we should do as the noble Bereans do and search the scriptures to check if what is being preached is in line with the word of God. How can anyone obey Christ and live by every word of God if they don't know what it says?

It is a clear directive to search scripture to check if what Paul was saying was true.

That's not anything like an explicit command from Paul. And if you don't mind me saying, it's quite a stretch to use this as a basis for rejecting any NT content which does not support your Christology.

[Sassy]

That's not anything like an explicit command from Paul. And if you don't mind me saying, it's quite a stretch to use this as a basis for rejecting any NT content which does not support your Christology.

Actually, it is less of a stretch than you using scripture in OT to try and support your claim that Jesus is God rather than the Son of God.

You see it is a fact anything taught has to be supported by OT for Christ and the OT definitely teaches we are to live by every word of God.

[floo]

Actually, it is less of a stretch than you using scripture in OT to try and support your claim that Jesus is God rather than the Son of God.

You see it is a fact anything taught has to be supported by OT for Christ and the OT definitely teaches we are to live by every word of God.

We would really be up the creek without a paddle if we lived by every word attributed to the god, which might not exist.

[Brownie]

Floo, your post made me think that many are half up the creek with only one paddle  .

[floo]

Floo, your post made me think that many are half up the creek with only one paddle  .

Or no paddle at all!

[Brownie]

Even worse, no boat.

[john]

No Paddle ! No Boat !

Good job I'm an atheist and can swim.

[Spud]

Actually, it is less of a stretch than you using scripture in OT to try and support your claim that Jesus is God rather than the Son of God.

You see it is a fact anything taught has to be supported by OT for Christ and the OT definitely teaches we are to live by every word of God.

Sass,
Do you actually think the claim is that "Jesus is God rather than the Son of God"?

[Sassy]

Sass,
Do you actually think the claim is that "Jesus is God rather than the Son of God"?

I know there was a reason why God sent his Angel and told Mary that Jesus is to be called."The Son of God". Nowhere is it claimed that Jesus was God but rather God was with him.

Acts 10:38. (KJV)

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

John 17:3King James Version (KJV)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



What Jesus told us is that eternal life is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom God sent.

Do you think God need to pray to himself?

Jesus is the Son of God because God said he was.  But eternal life means knowing them both.

Somehow along the way some taught false things. The Roman Catholic Church are the worst for trying to put manmade teachings in place of Gods so they have power of man.
But the true body and church of Christ receive power from God through the Holy Spirit and has no need to be taught by man.

[2Corrie]

Sass,
Do you actually think the claim is that "Jesus is God rather than the Son of God"?

IKR

[2Corrie]

I know there was a reason why God sent his Angel and told Mary that Jesus is to be called."The Son of God". Nowhere is it claimed that Jesus was God but rather God was with him.

Acts 10:38. (KJV)

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

John 17:3King James Version (KJV)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



What Jesus told us is that eternal life is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom God sent.

Do you think God need to pray to himself?

Jesus is the Son of God because God said he was.  But eternal life means knowing them both.

Somehow along the way some taught false things. The Roman Catholic Church are the worst for trying to put manmade teachings in place of Gods so they have power of man.
But the true body and church of Christ receive power from God through the Holy Spirit and has no need to be taught by man.

Talking of His anointing;
Hebrews
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Psalm 45
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Did Paul get this wrong?

[Spud]

IKR

I had to look that up!

[Brownie]

Me too  .

[Spud]

I know there was a reason why God sent his Angel and told Mary that Jesus is to be called."The Son of God". Nowhere is it claimed that Jesus was God but rather God was with him.

Acts 10:38. (KJV)

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

John 17:3King James Version (KJV)

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



What Jesus told us is that eternal life is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom God sent.

Do you think God need to pray to himself?

Jesus is the Son of God because God said he was.  But eternal life means knowing them both.

Somehow along the way some taught false things. The Roman Catholic Church are the worst for trying to put manmade teachings in place of Gods so they have power of man.
But the true body and church of Christ receive power from God through the Holy Spirit and has no need to be taught by man.

My point was that 2corrie believes that Jesus is the Son of God. The reason he is also said to be God is that he  existed before he was born as a man, according to passages in John's gospel, for example. He is "God" in the same sense that the Holy Spirit is "God":  the Spirit is God's breath, and the Son is God's word.

[Sassy]

Talking of His anointing;

Hebrews
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Th SON saith... Thy Throne, O God... So the Son is saying to God?

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

God anointed who with the oil of Gladness...

Psalm 45
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Did Paul get this wrong?

Did Paul get what wrong?
Paul said,

King James Bible
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God put all things under Christ and it is clear that Paul is teaching that Jesus will also become subject unto God again.

You see you really do not know what you think you know.

God is God and Jesus is the Son of God. To be a son you must do as your Father does.

King James Bible
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

So clearly Jesus is teaching that those who belong to God do as their father God does.

John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus therefore did as his Father God did, and he was a true Son of God.

It is important to adhere to the Prophets and the teachings of Christ. It is on Christs teachings and commandments that all the teachings of the Prophets  and Law rests.

[2Corrie]

Th SON saith... Thy Throne, O God... So the Son is saying to God?

I have to wonder if you are being deliberately obtuse  here ?

[2Corrie]

18For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

[Sassy]

18For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Equal... how can one be equal?
You refuse to accept the blatantly obvious.
That in making himself equal he could not be one could he?

Jesus equal? Without sin and doing that which God wants.
You can twist the bible many ways but if you read Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Jesus die because he had not spoken words from God or because he was the Messiah the Son of God?

You see Jesus Called God his Father because as he said:

John 17:3
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Who sent Jesus? Who is the Only true God Jesus is talking to?

Not obtuse at all just stating the blatantly obvious for which you have no answer because you cannot and will not listen to Christ over man made teachings.

Do you know that is what keeps the Jews from believing he is the Messiah?
They knew the Messiah would be a man and a Prophet.

Look at what the NT books by John teaches.

1 John 4:3 World English
and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

2 John 1:7 World English
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don’t confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist.

Jesus came in the flesh...

[floo]

Gods are subservient to humans as they are their creations, not the other way around, imo.

[NicholasMarks]

Gods are subservient to humans as they are their creations, not the other way around, imo.

The wonderful thing about Almighty God is that he lives by his own righteous code...you know the one...the one that Jesus Christ delivered to us. You see...it gives eternal life where as disobeying that code gives a lot of things we would prefer not to have...especially as our genetics are either held in obedience, or not, according to laws or the sins that violate that code...and not just our own sins but the sins of our fathers and our forefathers as well...just as modern science indicates.

How many of our leaders even bother to live by the laws conceived by the legislative bodies they are part of...that are intended to protect us from such law-breakers...it seems very few. But as long as they are hidden from view...that's ok. The net result is a world that is heaving at the seams.

But Almighty God has told us...through his son, Jesus Christ...that all this must take place and all those who cling to his righteous teaching accurately will be guided through it all...

...Got to be the best option...hasn't it??

[floo]

Nothing wonderful about god if any of that had any truth, NM!

[NicholasMarks]

Nothing wonderful about god if any of that had any truth, NM!

The problem is Floo...that many just want to dis him. He is not a God who switches off then switches on.

He introduced a righteous code...stamped it on our cultures than remained to serve the needs of those he declared interest in...those who follow his righteous code.

Now...what could be more inspiring...following a teaching that appeals to our inner strength...allows similar laws that direct accidental evolution to harness our genetic health so that we are extra strong especially at difficult times, whilst entering a repair cycle and avoiding the harmful affects of bullying...skills that will be especially needed in these last days...cus we aint seen nothin yet.

[floo]

YADDA YADDA!

[2Corrie]

Equal... how can one be equal

Three can

Not obtuse at all

Then why say "the Son saith" when the text does not say that?

Jesus came in the flesh...

Amen and For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily