A theological question for Unitarians

[NicholasMarks]

You have not one shred of evidence to prove a god exists, let alone it wrote the Bible as you claim!

You will dispute anything I say Floo...but you don't come close to displacing the wonderful knowledge that I have gleaned from the Holy Bible...that is stenciled into every word and lightens up every page and it is this...that the entire visible universe is the heavier form of an indestructible energy owned by God and is in fact the spiritual flesh and blood of God, who, by his full scientific insight, has total authority over the whole universe...and who sent Jesus Christ to explain that authority and bring those who want what our Deity want, ie...peace, happiness, good will, good health, good order and a world full of righteous integrity, to salvation for once and for all time, forever, for all eternity...so you must see why the Final Judgement is so important...wouldn't want any unrepentant law-breakers in there, would we. You are also welcome, I believe, as long as you can repent...as well.

 

[Brownie]

Nicholas, I asked you a question a couple of weeks ago and you didn't reply;  you probably didn't see it buried under other posts.  So I'll ask you again.

Do you pray for people, Nicholas?  For example, if you came across someone in any sort of difficulty, in need of help, would you ask God to help them, give them strength (as well as helping them yourself, where possible)?   I'm sure you do but never seen you write that you do.

[NicholasMarks]

Nicholas, I asked you a question a couple of weeks ago and you didn't reply;  you probably didn't see it buried under other posts.  So I'll ask you again.

Do you pray for people, Nicholas?  For example, if you came across someone in any sort of difficulty, in need of help, would you ask God to help them, give them strength (as well as helping them yourself, where possible)?   I'm sure you do but never seen you write that you do.

I have an open heart for people who are in trouble Brownie...that is why I'm not easily discouraged in my postings. I see us all as having to help ourselves Jesus Christ's way and try to ensure I leave this message behind me. In many ways I have been called to service because an extreme wrong has occurred and a calming influence often helps far more because the more natural attitude can be so destructive. I live in my environment as if God put me there as a silent partner in his plans and still get time to enjoy family pursuits.

I'm also very aware that evil is dictating many hardships on those who are unprepared and am ready to serve where and when I can...but I'm not sure if that answers your question.

It is also important that we strive with Jesus to regain our own health because it is in being stronger that evil will fall flat on its face in all its manifestations.

ps I thought you asked that question from another whilst in dialogue with us both...Khatru rings a bell. 

[Sebastian Toe]

I'm also very aware that evil is dictating many hardships on those who are unprepared

How exactly does evil dictate hardships Nick?

[floo]

You will dispute anything I say Floo...but you don't come close to displacing the wonderful knowledge that I have gleaned from the Holy Bible...that is stenciled into every word and lightens up every page and it is this...that the entire visible universe is the heavier form of an indestructible energy owned by God and is in fact the spiritual flesh and blood of God, who, by his full scientific insight, has total authority over the whole universe...and who sent Jesus Christ to explain that authority and bring those who want what our Deity want, ie...peace, happiness, good will, good health, good order and a world full of righteous integrity, to salvation for once and for all time, forever, for all eternity...so you must see why the Final Judgement is so important...wouldn't want any unrepentant law-breakers in there, would we. You are also welcome, I believe, as long as you can repent...as well.

Of course I will dispute what you say when you state as fact something which is only a belief, and for which you cannot provide verifiable evidence. This post of your is assertion, not fact!

[Brownie]

No, Nicholas, I was asking you that question but no matter, it may have looked different.

Thanks for your answer.  What I wonder is, if someone asked you to pray for them, for something specific, would you do so?

Glad you enjoy life, Nicholas.

[NicholasMarks]

No, Nicholas, I was asking you that question but no matter, it may have looked different.

Thanks for your answer.  What I wonder is, if someone asked you to pray for them, for something specific, would you do so?

Glad you enjoy life, Nicholas.

My prayers are somewhat personal Brownie but I do know that harmonizing with Jesus' style of prayer...being...humble, respectful, meek, kind, thoughtful and submissive to our creator yields a return of strength which I identify as God's Living Waters and so I see this as a very important element in Jesus' accurate teaching.

 

[NicholasMarks]

How exactly does evil dictate hardships Nick?

You shouldn't need to ask that one Seb. Evil, as far as I'm aware, has never gone round doing good works. The problem is that it often inveigles itself into the workings of good works and seeks to put difficulties and obstacles in its path. The net result is the world we live in today and thankfully, a world which will soon become a righteous one because the science of righteousness is indestructible...it just needs understanding...and there is only Jesus Christ fully qualified.

He has already laid down Almighty God's terms and conditions.

[ippy]

You shouldn't need to ask that one Seb. Evil, as far as I'm aware, has never gone round doing good works. The problem is that it often inveigles itself into the workings of good works and seeks to put difficulties and obstacles in its path. The net result is the world we live in today and thankfully, a world which will soon become a righteous one because the science of righteousness is indestructible...it just needs understanding...and there is only Jesus Christ fully qualified.

He has already laid down Almighty God's terms and conditions.

Nick, this reply is full of things you believe, none of it can be supported by any verifiable evidence.

It doesn't matter how much you keep preaching on about what you believe, none of it amounts to being facts.

You can't be locked up for believing in  anything, quite rightly so, but believing in things alone isn't sufficient to make them true beliefs, that is without verifiable evidence to back them up.

I have to tell you Nick, you haven't got any verifiable evidence that the bible is the true word of your god and it's madness, no less, to say the bible is sufficient verifiable evidence to support the words of the bible, no one is that stupid to even think it does, Nick, you can't be that thick, surly no reasonably functioning human being is that thick?

Ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Nick, this reply is full of things you believe, none of it can be supported by any verifiable evidence.

It doesn't matter how much you keep preaching on about what you believe, none of it amounts to being facts.

You can't be locked up for believing in  anything, quite rightly so, but believing in things alone isn't sufficient to make them true beliefs, that is without verifiable evidence to back them up.

I have to tell you Nick, you haven't got any verifiable evidence that the bible is the true word of your god and it's madness, no less, to say the bible is sufficient verifiable evidence to support the words of the bible, no one is that stupid to even think it does, Nick, you can't be that thick, surly no reasonably functioning human being is that thick?

Ippy

You just keep saying the same thing ippy. You refuse to read a book full of faith, hope and charity and disregard it for the sake of your own argument...because you say it cannot be scientifically proven to be correct...but you are so wrong...and I keep telling you so because others  might be able to grasp that point better than you.

The universe exists and is full of electric energy. Science seeks to unify all that energy but can't...but the Holy Bible leaps thousands of years ahead of us and gives us all the key points to enable that understanding...and it all hinges upon Jesus Christ.

Jesus taught us how to harness that same force...for health, repair and resurrection.

Millions have put it to the test and found great value in its teaching.

Tyrants have had to bring that teaching under their own banner to secure the  support of those who believe.

Scientists have followed strict practices and codes under the banner of Jesus Christ in colleges supported by finances provided by believers.

The Jews and the Catholics have global empires built from Biblical knowledge.

Now it seems that the Earth is shaking, wobbling, erupting, flooding and wildly changing in climate and magnetic stability which would make even the most skeptic wonder about what is written in Revelation.

And me...who says that the evidence of ufos and the length and depth in space and time of all existence makes Almighty God a reality and, according to the Holy Bible, the highest authority over all members of that universal community.

Jesus Christ visited this planet and made righteousness a necessity for all those who might want to survive the final tribulation but if you aren't bothered enough to prepare in accordance with our savior...tough.

I feel duty bound to tell you these things because I know that there will be an insignificant replica of you left over after the last trumpet and the Bible description of what will happen to it isn't very nice...so...really...I'm trying to save you from yourself...but...resistance to salvation means that you wouldn't fit in anyway.

[Sebastian Toe]

You shouldn't need to ask that one Seb. Evil, as far as I'm aware, has never gone round doing good works. The problem is that it often inveigles itself into the workings of good works and seeks to put difficulties and obstacles in its path. The net result is the world we live in today and thankfully, a world which will soon become a righteous one because the science of righteousness is indestructible...it just needs understanding...and there is only Jesus Christ fully qualified.

He has already laid down Almighty God's terms and conditions.

The problem there Nick is that again you have not accurately answered my query. I asked 'how' . You replied to a 'what'.
Would you like to try again? Please.

[Brownie]

My prayers are somewhat personal Brownie but I do know that harmonizing with Jesus' style of prayer...being...humble, respectful, meek, kind, thoughtful and submissive to our creator yields a return of strength which I identify as God's Living Waters and so I see this as a very important element in Jesus' accurate teaching.

That doesn't really answer my question, Nicholas, but no matter.

I didn't want you to go into personal stuff but what I meant when I asked was, if someone told you they were in any type of serious difficulty, would you lift them up to the Lord in prayer, simply asking Him to help and comfort them.  Most of us do that.  There is a section of this forum where people start threads asking others to pray for and with them about various issues.  It's a kindly place.

[NicholasMarks]

That doesn't really answer my question, Nicholas, but no matter.

I didn't want you to go into personal stuff but what I meant when I asked was, if someone told you they were in any type of serious difficulty, would you lift them up to the Lord in prayer, simply asking Him to help and comfort them.  Most of us do that.  There is a section of this forum where people start threads asking others to pray for and with them about various issues.  It's a kindly place.

My own prayers have been answered Brownie...I asked, what on earth is going wrong with the world and much of what I received by way of response I include in my posts. Evil is a spiteful enemy and we all fall foul of its tentacles. It injures our healtth...our genetics...it separates families...it ensures the weak are left destitute...it alters our thinking...it leads to war...death and destruction...it weakens our immune systems...it frightens us unmercilessly and it works in exactly the same way cancer works...surely by exposing these crimes I am praying for all the oppressed in a meaningful way...over and above all  objecters of Jesus Christ.

[floo]

NM what do you mean by 'what I received in response', how did you receive it?

[ippy]

You just keep saying the same thing ippy. You refuse to read a book full of faith, hope and charity and disregard it for the sake of your own argument...because you say it cannot be scientifically proven to be correct...but you are so wrong...and I keep telling you so because others  might be able to grasp that point better than you.

The universe exists and is full of electric energy. Science seeks to unify all that energy but can't...but the Holy Bible leaps thousands of years ahead of us and gives us all the key points to enable that understanding...and it all hinges upon Jesus Christ.

Jesus taught us how to harness that same force...for health, repair and resurrection.

Millions have put it to the test and found great value in its teaching.

Tyrants have had to bring that teaching under their own banner to secure the  support of those who believe.

Scientists have followed strict practices and codes under the banner of Jesus Christ in colleges supported by finances provided by believers.

The Jews and the Catholics have global empires built from Biblical knowledge.

Now it seems that the Earth is shaking, wobbling, erupting, flooding and wildly changing in climate and magnetic stability which would make even the most skeptic wonder about what is written in Revelation.

And me...who says that the evidence of ufos and the length and depth in space and time of all existence makes Almighty God a reality and, according to the Holy Bible, the highest authority over all members of that universal community.

Jesus Christ visited this planet and made righteousness a necessity for all those who might want to survive the final tribulation but if you aren't bothered enough to prepare in accordance with our savior...tough.

I feel duty bound to tell you these things because I know that there will be an insignificant replica of you left over after the last trumpet and the Bible description of what will happen to it isn't very nice...so...really...I'm trying to save you from yourself...but...resistance to salvation means that you wouldn't fit in anyway.

Nick I'll keep it simple for you, it obviously has to be simple more simple than I realised, in that last post of yours to me you wrote the following:

"Jesus taught us how to harness that same force...for health, repair and resurrection".

Well that's fine that you have chosen to believe this, what I would like to know is how you would go about substantiating that this Jesus chap of yours actually did say this, only I would say that nobody knows that he said any such thing and there is no evidence to be had that proves that he did.

You only need to explain where you have acquired this verifiable evidence and demonstrate how it does verify these were his words; now you should be able to answer this without an accompanying sermon, or anything sermon like either.

I now look forward to a concise answer without the addition of another crappy sermon, a straight answer would be much appreciated.

ippy

[Brownie]

I get it now NM, thank you for your answer, and it was what I thought you'd say but vaguely hoped might be different. 

[NicholasMarks]

I get it now NM, thank you for your answer, and it was what I thought you'd say but vaguely hoped might be different.

Sorry to disappoint Brownie...my understanding is that this planet is reaching a point where God's Judgement will be issued on each and everyone of us. The time is coming when God will say...just carry on as you are, the time for repentence is spent...The great tribulations will intensify culminating into one, short,  sharp shock and that will be it. The fiery lake of sulphur will have passed and a new heavens and a new Earth will spring into existence...and all those who followed Jesus Christ's teaching accurately will be part of it and the science of righteousness will begin work imediatley...repairing those who are genetically flawed which will be each and every one of us...it is then when all our  prior sufferings will pay dividends because it wont be an easy ride but operating from God's Living Waters isn't the same as relying upon man made hit and miss practices developed for the few instead of for all.

Everlasting life...here we come.

[floo]

NM you keep making statements with no evidence to support any of them!

[NicholasMarks]

NM you keep making statements with no evidence to support any of them!

I've got the Holy Bible Floo...it's all in there and much more besides. What you have to start realising is that Almighty God is a Universal God who has every science under his belt and Jesus Christ...is that science made flesh.

[floo]

I've got the Holy Bible Floo...it's all in there and much more besides. What you have to start realising is that Almighty God is a Universal God who has every science under his belt and Jesus Christ...is that science made flesh.

The Bible is no more reliable than the Harry Potter books when it comes to credibility!

[ippy]

I've got the Holy Bible Floo...it's all in there and much more besides. What you have to start realising is that Almighty God is a Universal God who has every science under his belt and Jesus Christ...is that science made flesh.

Right you've got the holy bible, where's the evidence that would support it if you have any?

ippy

[Brownie]

It doesn't matter about me being disappointed, Nicholas, and I'm not really, but I was thinking that we encounter people all the time who have difficulties of one sort or another and what they need is a bit of kindness from us in the here and now.

If you look at the prayer forum here and on St Thad's, people ask for prayers for those they care about, sometimes for themselves;  they want to feel that others are walking alongside them (as Jesus does), and caring.   Preaching at that time would not be helpful, quite the opposite actually.

Hypothetical scenarios : wife/husband injured in car accident/roof caved in and insurance won't pay out/lost job;
do we respond with loving sympathy on a personal level or do we tell them to repent before it's too late so that they have no such problems in the next world?

[Walter]

Right you've got the holy bible, where's the evidence that would support it if you have any?

ippy

don't feed the pigeons, they're a bloody nuisance.

[NicholasMarks]

It doesn't matter about me being disappointed, Nicholas, and I'm not really, but I was thinking that we encounter people all the time who have difficulties of one sort or another and what they need is a bit of kindness from us in the here and now.

If you look at the prayer forum here and on St Thad's, people ask for prayers for those they care about, sometimes for themselves;  they want to feel that others are walking alongside them (as Jesus does), and caring.   Preaching at that time would not be helpful, quite the opposite actually.

Hypothetical scenarios : wife/husband injured in car accident/roof caved in and insurance won't pay out/lost job;
do we respond with loving sympathy on a personal level or do we tell them to repent before it's too late so that they have no such problems in the next world?

I thought I'd covered that in an earlier post Brownie...but this is the point I am making now...that we each have the ability to pray for ourselves and we each have the ability to reach out for God's living waters and we each have the ability to begin a repair programme from any starting point. Where we go wrong is in thinking that a multitude of prayers can do better than we ourselves, as individuals can. Jesus says of prayer...find a quiet place, out of earshot of others and make your needs known to God who will reward you and restoring our righteous strength in a way which gives more righteous clout is the best reward ever. When people are unable to pray for themselves and it affects us deeply then our needs might include such a person but God's plan is paramount in these last days...there is too much blood passed under the bridge.



 

[Brownie]

I understand that Nicholas but there are times when we, as human beings, cannot get our heads together and a bit of unconditional help from another person, whether practical, prayerful or just kind words, is greatly comforting and calming.   Maybe you have grown beyond that sort of need but we are all different.

Jesus didn't hesitate to walk alongside others in their hour of need, seeing them as individuals, and I honestly believe that we must strive to do the same, quietly if possible.

We'll have to agree to differ on this one.