A theological question for Unitarians

[NicholasMarks]

Nick: You bang on about cancer, illness, disability, etc. Do you have any scientific knowledge of these issues? Any experience of Christians with disabilities, life limiting or terminal illness? Because your posts make no sense, and are in no way shape or form Christian thinking. Can I respectfully suggest you google Joni Earickson-Tada? She's paraplegic, and has battled cancer - a double whammy. I first met her in 1980, and have met her a few times since - and I'm in touch with her. Her books, talks, paintings, songs; her ministry amongst Christians of all abilities gives her a far better witness to faith and disability than mine can ever be. There are umpteen sites - and her books are on Amazon and a must for anyone interested in the subject. Try googling 'Joni and friends' - that should open your eyes - if it doesn't, nothing will. Meanwhile, here's an article from the secular Time magazine which should give you pause for thought. http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2016484,00.html

It strikes me you are getting yourself a little worked up Anchorman and so I think its time to quieten it down again a little. Jesus Christ is the best witness for Jesus Christ's teaching and all I'm saying is follow his teaching accurately.

[Anchorman]

Nope. I'm not worked up in the slightest. I'm appalled at your lack of understanding of basic Christian teaching, and failure to read Scripture with any accuracy. You haven't googled Joni, yet - you can't have; there are so many sites which mention her.

[Anchorman]

Nope. I'm not worked up in the slightest. I'm appalled at your lack of understanding of basic Christian teaching, and failure to read Scripture with any accuracy. You haven't googled Joni, yet - you can't have; there are so many sites which mention her.

Just in case.... Joni & Friends. http://www.joniandfriends.org/

[ippy]

It would be good to see Nicholas talking about something non-religious, like music, TV, sport, or books.  Even the weather or what he's doing for Christmas.

No doubt Nicholas will have a big star on top of the Christmas tree and maybe a few smaller ones dotted about.
An angel perhaps but no fairies.

Brownie, if you do ask him about anything as you say you'd only get another sermon that had nothing to do with whatever you have asked him.

I reckon it's possible he's been or is a pot smoker, this habit can be mind altering, in his case it could be the cause of his religious mania; I would like to be wrong but whatever it is causing this religious extremism of his; it certainly needs to be sorted out, for his sake, I no longer see his problem as any kind of a laughing matter.

ippy

[Brownie]

It's a single mindedness that I have seen in some other people, about various issues.   There's nothing we can do about it.  Sometimes it passes.

I've always quite liked Nicholas and did at first enjoy reading his posts, they made me think about things from a different angle, but now it's too much for me.   

Well, that could be my problem more than his!   I don't have to read the posts after all, there are plenty of others.

[floo]

My biggest beef with NM is that vulnerable people might be frightened by his wormwood silliness!

[NicholasMarks]

My biggest beef with NM is that vulnerable people might be frightened by his wormwood silliness!

If you want to be worried by anything Floo I suggest you start by listening to your news bulletins. The horrendous bombing...the millions of dispossessed people...the scheming governments behind all this distress. The fact that the Holy Bible foretells us of a great commotion which will settle all issues is being spoken of from many YouTube sources with amazing evidence to support them...Me...I'm guilty as charged...its all in the Holy Bible...everyone reading Revelation is told about these times in loud and poignant words. The folly is in not taking them seriously...still...I'm just telling you how to protect yourselves from it all...proven by Jesus Christ himself...but you seem to forget that that was horrific beyond words as well. Oh, I forgot, you get your kicks out of ridiculing it.



 

[Anchorman]

Just in case.... Joni & Friends. http://www.joniandfriends.org/

Bumped for NM

[Sebastian Toe]

is being spoken of from many YouTube sources with amazing evidence to support them...

Evidence? No.
Supporting evidence? Definitely not.
Accurate evidence? You are having a laugh.
Amazing evidence? OK, for the gullible, those fooled by the online shysters,  maybe!
 

[NicholasMarks]

Just in case.... Joni & Friends. http://www.joniandfriends.org/

A great organisation Anchorman. I'm sure Jesus is proud of them...but I still maintain that Jesus was teaching us a science which is more beneficial because his teaching uses the science that injures our genetics and reverses it, to soothe, calm and rest them. It tells us how to maintain a healthy level of energy within the framework of our flesh and blood and how to reach out for worthwhile things which bring our own living-cells replicating processes into a healthier format.

You don't have to take a blind bit of notice of me to do it...but you must follow Jesus' teaching accurately which is a science built upon the highest spiritual knowledge and everlasting life has to include repair from all our illnesses else it is invalid and Jesus' teaching is anything but invalid.

[Anchorman]

A great organisation Anchorman. I'm sure Jesus is proud of them...but I still maintain that Jesus was teaching us a science which is more beneficial because his teaching uses the science that injures our genetics and reverses it, to soothe, calm and rest them. It tells us how to maintain a healthy level of energy within the framework of our flesh and blood and how to reach out for worthwhile things which bring our own living-cells replicating processes into a healthier format.

You don't have to take a blind bit of notice of me to do it...but you must follow Jesus' teaching accurately which is a science built upon the highest spiritual knowledge and everlasting life has to include repair from all our illnesses else it is invalid and Jesus' teaching is anything but invalid.

So, your theories about illness, disability, etc, have diddly squat to do with Christ, faith or anything resembling either Christ's teaching or, for that matter, science.

[NicholasMarks]

Evidence? No.
Supporting evidence? Definitely not.
Accurate evidence? You are having a laugh.
Amazing evidence? OK, for the gullible, those fooled by the online shysters,  maybe!
 

With evidence you start with the absolute, proven facts, and work backwards to what might be causing them...provable facts like...climate change, earthquakes, wild flooding, major die-offs, unusual magnetic disturbances,  scientific data saying all planets in this solar system becoming disturbed and agitated, governments and peoples making special and extreme preparations. The causes can be restricted to just a few and top of the list is rogue bodies/planets crashing into our solar system and besides of there being a good account of it in Revelations there are many observers gathering information about them.

It's one of those things whereby we can simply ignore it else take precautions. The easiest of those precautions is to follow the teaching of he that told us how to deal with all mishaps...that is...follow his teaching accurately. If you can't it just means you will fail God's Judgement and as sad as that may be there will be many that wont.

[NicholasMarks]

So, your theories about illness, disability, etc, have diddly squat to do with Christ, faith or anything resembling either Christ's teaching or, for that matter, science.

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion Anchorman...but I'm sure you can see that the accurate teaching is what he told us and we have an obligation to follow him accurately...especially when the sins of our fathers and forefathers have cocked it up for us. Still...at least you have been made aware of the potential of Jesus' teaching...the rest is up to you.

[ippy]

It might be worth another try, well here we go:

Nick, without referring to the bible in any way, get that? Without referring to the bible in any way Nick, what verifiable evidence have you got that can confirm all of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts written about in the bible did in reality actually happen.

I know you have trouble with straight answers Nick, but do your best please and let me and all of the others have as straight an answer as you can manage to the above, that would be lovely, thank you in advance.   

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

It might be worth another try, well here we go:

Nick, without referring to the bible in any way, get that? Without referring to the bible in any way Nick, what verifiable evidence have you got that can confirm all of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts written about in the bible did in reality actually happen.

I know you have trouble with straight answers Nick, but do your best please and let me and all of the others have as straight an answer as you can manage to the above, that would be lovely, thank you in advance.   

ippy

Again ippy...your conditions aren't of any merit because you refuse to listen to any reasoning.

For some reason you refuse to accept that all that energy which science says exists couldn't have a greater purpose than science can yet understand and by following a certain scientific direction its full impact on our sciences can be made known. All entirely built on top of modern science with Biblical guidance where both sources are telling a similar story.

I'm not hopeful that you can understand this but few could grasp 'Relativity' either, could they??

Notice how respectful I respond to you...give it a try yourself...sometime.

[floo]

NM you don't use any reasoning where religion is concerned!

[ippy]

Again ippy...your conditions aren't of any merit because you refuse to listen to any reasoning.

For some reason you refuse to accept that all that energy which science says exists couldn't have a greater purpose than science can yet understand and by following a certain scientific direction its full impact on our sciences can be made known. All entirely built on top of modern science with Biblical guidance where both sources are telling a similar story.

I'm not hopeful that you can understand this but few could grasp 'Relativity' either, could they??

Notice how respectful I respond to you...give it a try yourself...sometime.

What's the problem Nick, no answer again, I didn't ask you anything about science, energy or relativity, all I was asking from you was as follows:

Without referring to the bible in any way, get that? Without referring to the bible in any way Nick, what verifiable evidence have you got that can confirm all of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts written about in the bible did in reality actually happen.

You're unable to supply any verifiable evidence so you write about anything else other than an answer, rather than admit you haven't got any verifiable evidence that would stand up to scrutiny.

ippy

[Sebastian Toe]

scientific data saying all planets in this solar system becoming disturbed and agitated,

Lets start with the absolute provable fact surrounding this one.
What is the scientific data to which you refer?

[NicholasMarks]

What's the problem Nick, no answer again, I didn't ask you anything about science, energy or relativity, all I was asking from you was as follows:

Without referring to the bible in any way, get that? Without referring to the bible in any way Nick, what verifiable evidence have you got that can confirm all of the magical, mystical and superstition based parts written about in the bible did in reality actually happen.

You're unable to supply any verifiable evidence so you write about anything else other than an answer, rather than admit you haven't got any verifiable evidence that would stand up to scrutiny.

ippy

You must think that this technique of yours is new ippy. It isn't. Just keep throwing the same objections without any consideration what-so-ever to the facts. By rights I should just ignore you but I have a big message to pass on and arguing the toss with snipers of the truth has a useful purpose for my Deity. It might just save one person from the inevitable distress that is getting closer as we argue.

It is an electric universe that triggers all science by way of the conflicts between this high-speed electric energy and the static universe that lies beneath it. This is why people speak of experiences whereby time slips...or they travel hundreds of miles in minutes without any obvious reason...or how space craft can perform amazing maneuvers...or even what causes the gravity manipulations attached to the poltergeist effect...and much more besides.

It's of no consequence to me who are saved and who isn't...I just try to make everyone aware so that those saved will know there is plenty more to the science than just resurrection...and that they have earned the right to that science because of their faith in Jesus Christ.

Now...you might just fool me by saying something different than...yerrrr...but ow does that prove the bible exists wiv owt using the bible.

 

[NicholasMarks]

Lets start with the absolute provable fact surrounding this one.
What is the scientific data to which you refer?

You have a peculiar knack Seb of wanting others to do your research for you. You will soon know as much of what is written in the Holy Bible as any serious Bible student and you wont have even opened one up.

You have the same sources of information I have...you know the level of evidence that is acceptable to you...seek it out and you will find it because scientific sources are making it known for those who look.

[floo]

We know the documents making up the Bible exist, but that isn't the question! All you are making us aware of is your take on the Bible. You have never offered any verifiable evidence the way you see it has any credence.

[Sebastian Toe]

You have a peculiar knack Seb of wanting others to do your research for you. You will soon know as much of what is written in the Holy Bible as any serious Bible student and you wont have even opened one up.

You have the same sources of information I have...you know the level of evidence that is acceptable to you...seek it out and you will find it because scientific sources are making it known for those who look.

I have looked and found none.
I presume that you have some so what is it?

[NicholasMarks]

I have looked and found none.
I presume that you have some so what is it?

No Seb...the evidence is out there and you are welcome to look for it...I've given up holding peoples hand when they can't be bothered. I'm trying to guide those who will listen back to righteousness but if they don't want to, well, that's up to them.

[Anchorman]

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion Anchorman...but I'm sure you can see that the accurate teaching is what he told us and we have an obligation to follow him accurately...especially when the sins of our fathers and forefathers have cocked it up for us. Still...at least you have been made aware of the potential of Jesus' teaching...the rest is up to you.

I arrived at that conclusion from the POV of a disabled Christian who has read Scriptures - accurately - without trying to throw in language which has not a jot or tittle to do with either Scripture or science, NM.
Simple.

[Sebastian Toe]

No Seb...the evidence is out there and you are welcome to look for it...I've given up holding peoples hand when they can't be bothered. I'm trying to guide those who will listen back to righteousness but if they don't want to, well, that's up to them.

I said I looked for it. I didn't find any. You can't supply any. It is therefore evident that it does not exist
 You have no arguement.