The fiver and the fat

[Nearly Sane]

Any unwanted fivers out there?


http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/14935069.Vegan_petition_calls_on_Bank_to_remove_animal_fat_from_new_fivers/

[floo]

Vegans aren't being asked to eat them!

[Nearly Sane]

Vegans aren't being asked to eat them!

Most vegans avoid use of animal products completely, and they aren't the only people objecting

[floo]

Most vegans avoid use of animal products completely, and they aren't the only people objecting

I wonder how many vegans avoid taking medication, most of which have been tested on animals?

[Nearly Sane]

I wonder how many vegans avoid taking medication, most of which have been tested on animals?

Again most will try and avoid such products and campaign to stop animal testing. And again they aren't the only ones objecting.

[floo]

Each to their own, I have no objections to using animals for human needs providing they don't suffer more than necessary.

[wigginhall]

There's probably a connection with climate change, as livestock are implicated in carbon production, although I think cows are the worst offenders. 

[Udayana]

Yup, contributing to global warming as well. I'll donate any I get to the vegetarian society or PETA. Not had one yet though.

[SusanDoris]

It's just as well the human species were not vegans when they were evolving, as I think we would quickly have become extinct!

I think I've already mentioned this somewhere, but the five pound note has no braille on it, the ten and twenty will have some apparently, so a plastic note without braille = a fiver.

[Hope]

I wonder how many vegans avoid taking medication, most of which have been tested on animals?

The issue for vegans is whether something contains animal products.  There are plenty of people who avid anything that has been tested on animals - vegans and not.

[jeremyp]

The vegan position on some products including five pound notes is a little irrational. No animals were killed to make fivers. Tallow is a byproduct of other industries. If herds of animals were being raised specifically to make tallow, the vegans would have a point, but they aren't so they don't.

[Harrowby Hall]

What concerns me about this matter is that it involves a very small minority interest forcing its sensibilities onto the rest of the population. I have every sympathy for people who do not wish to eat meat or use products made from animals, but that does not give them the right to enforce their views and behaviour onto other people. It is a form of bullying.

It's a bit like the forcing of shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays by people with irrational belief systems. 

[john]

I agree with Harowby Hall 

[Nearly Sane]

What concerns me about this matter is that it involves a very small minority interest forcing its sensibilities onto the rest of the population. I have every sympathy for people who do not wish to eat meat or use products made from animals, but that does not give them the right to enforce their views and behaviour onto other people. It is a form of bullying.

It's a bit like the forcing of shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays by people with irrational belief systems. 

Isn't the forcing of beliefs happening no matter what choice is made here? And while numbers have some value in a democracy, we need to be careful that simply a tyranny of the majority is avoided. Tell me what good reason there is to have tallow in the make up of fivers.

[Udayana]

The vegan position on some products including five pound notes is a little irrational. No animals were killed to make fivers. Tallow is a byproduct of other industries. If herds of animals were being raised specifically to make tallow, the vegans would have a point, but they aren't so they don't.

Misses the point really - vegans and vegetarians may be against any subsidy of the meat industry. This one may be indirect but is certainly avoidable.

[Nearly Sane]

The vegan position on some products including five pound notes is a little irrational. No animals were killed to make fivers. Tallow is a byproduct of other industries. If herds of animals were being raised specifically to make tallow, the vegans would have a point, but they aren't so they don't.

and once again, they are not the only people objecting. But on the specific point, they would see the 'other industries' as part of the problem and the use of the animals in the 'other industries' as being immoral. While I disagree, they do have a point from their view.

[Maeght]

The vegan position on some products including five pound notes is a little irrational. No animals were killed to make fivers. Tallow is a byproduct of other industries. If herds of animals were being raised specifically to make tallow, the vegans would have a point, but they aren't so they don't.

Not irrational at all. It's all part of the meat industry and the industrial use of animals.

[Udayana]

What concerns me about this matter is that it involves a very small minority interest forcing its sensibilities onto the rest of the population. I have every sympathy for people who do not wish to eat meat or use products made from animals, but that does not give them the right to enforce their views and behaviour onto other people. It is a form of bullying.

It's a bit like the forcing of shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays by people with irrational belief systems. 

hmm .. the notions of "enforcing their views" and "irrational belief systems" could both do with some examination!

[Nearly Sane]

hmm .. the notions of "enforcing their views" and "irrational belief systems" could both do with some examination!

we must fight for our right to have tallow in banknotes!

[Anchorman]

Look - simple solution. Apparently the Scots polymer fivers don't have an animal fat content, so why not have all outlets use them instead? (At least then we might not have the funn of seeing certain shops and pubs reject 'em......)

[Maeght]

we must fight for our right to have tallow in banknotes!

Why?

[Nearly Sane]

Why?

Sarcasm!

[Maeght]

Sarcasm!

Good 

[Hope]

It's a bit like the forcing of shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays by people with irrational belief systems. 

First time I've heard Trades Unionists being described as having 'irrationalbelief systems'.  I don't always agree with them, but I wouldn't call them irrational.

[Hope]

I agree with Harowby Hall 

So you would regard Trades Unionists as irrational?