The fiver and the fat

[Maeght]

What concerns me about this matter is that it involves a very small minority interest forcing its sensibilities onto the rest of the population. I have every sympathy for people who do not wish to eat meat or use products made from animals, but that does not give them the right to enforce their views and behaviour onto other people. It is a form of bullying.

It's a bit like the forcing of shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays by people with irrational belief systems. 

Why not change it if it is easy to do so though? If it is a major issue then so be it but shouldn't think it was.

[Sebastian Toe]

First time I've heard Trades Unionists being described as having 'irrationalbelief systems'. 

First time I have heard that Trades Unionists are forcing shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays.

[Gordon]

First time I have heard that Trades Unionists are forcing shops to trade a limited number of hours on Sundays.

Not here though: here in civilisation Sunday shopping is, well, civilised.

[Udayana]

Look - simple solution. Apparently the Scots polymer fivers don't have an animal fat content, so why not have all outlets use them instead? (At least then we might not have the funn of seeing certain shops and pubs reject 'em......)

Having read more about this, it seems both Scottish notes and the BoE notes contain trace amounts of the fat. In fact nearly all plastics do. Not enough to get make any significant difference to any animal welfare issues.

[Harrowby Hall]

Just been listening to BBC Radio 4 More or Less. The question of tallow in the bank notes came up. According to the programme, the quantity of tallow is so small as to be effectively unmeasurable. It would appear that - for all the notes now in circulation - the total amount of fat required would come from a single cow. And there would be cow to spare.

[Gordon]

An interesting development:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-38184599

[Harrowby Hall]

I saw that, Gordon. We have no idea about what animal substance may be used in very small quantities, in the manufacture of all kinds of consumer products. The behaviour of the woman in this instance is unreasonable - and close to (what used to be called) hysteria.

[jeremyp]

Misses the point really - vegans and vegetarians may be against any subsidy of the meat industry. This one may be indirect but is certainly avoidable.

I don't think you can say vegetarians as a group are against any subsidy of the meat industry. Some of them might be but many are less strict.

As for the vegans, it's a done deal. Going forwards, the tallow will be eliminated. Problem over.

[Nearly Sane]

The fiver and the 20,000 pounds


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-38223552

[jeremyp]

On More or Less, they calculated exactly how much fat was used in all the £5 notes based on the Bank of England's statement that it was "a trace" i.e. less than 100 parts per million.

They found that only one cow was needed for all the notes made so far.

[Harrowby Hall]

On More or Less, they calculated exactly how much fat was used in all the £5 notes based on the Bank of England's statement that it was "a trace" i.e. less than 100 parts per million.

They found that only one cow was needed for all the notes made so far.

Yes, I wrote that a week ago!

[Owlswing]

Again most will try and avoid such products and campaign to stop animal testing. And again they aren't the only ones objecting.

I asked a vegan on ther Old Beeb if, as he was so opposed to testing of medication on animals, he would offer himself as a guinea pig in the animals place.

His answer?

No - he would not - there are (get your giggle gear ready) people in prison that can be used for that!

[jeremyp]

Yes, I wrote that a week ago!

Since you admit it, I should be able to sue you for plagiarism.

[L.A.]

Any unwanted fivers out there?


http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/14935069.Vegan_petition_calls_on_Bank_to_remove_animal_fat_from_new_fivers/

If there are any vegans out there who feel that they have been forced to take possession of these tainted notes, I would be quite happy to take them off their hands.

[Hope]

An interesting development:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-38184599

I wonder whether, if one was to delve a tad deeper, we'd find animal material in the plastic that is used for credit and debit cards?  What woukld this lady do then?   

[Owlswing]

I wonder whether, if one was to delve a tad deeper, we'd find animal material in the plastic that is used for credit and debit cards?  What woukld this lady do then?   

Shit herself?

[Nearly Sane]

Keeping the fat




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bank-of-england-5-note-10-animal-fat-keep-confirm-g-currency-pound-sterling-a7581131.html

[Maeght]

Well it says they aren't withdrawing the current ones and are still looking into alternatives for the future - which is fine by me, so long as they are taking it seriously as they claim. Bit doubtful though when they then say its only a small amount - as if that makes a difference really.

[Owlswing]

Vegans are becoming, if they are not already, as big a pain in the butt as PETA, militant Christians and militant muslims!

They wouldn't know live and let live if it jumped up and bit them on the butt!

OK - the usual suspects can now line up to slag me off for my 'outdated' views!

[Maeght]

Vegans are becoming, if they are not already, as big a pain in the butt as PETA, militant Christians and militant muslims!

They wouldn't know live and let live if it jumped up and bit them on the butt!

OK - the usual suspects can now line up to slag me off for my 'outdated' views!

All Vegans?

[Bubbles]

Vegans are becoming, if they are not already, as big a pain in the butt as PETA, militant Christians and militant muslims!

They wouldn't know live and let live if it jumped up and bit them on the butt!

OK - the usual suspects can now line up to slag me off for my 'outdated' views!

Not me, I agree with you 🙂🌹

[Owlswing]

All Vegans?

In my personal experience - yes, most definitely!

My last boss would get into work early in order to leave pro-vegan, anti-vegetarian, anti-meat pamphlest and screeds on every desk in the office and God help you if she saw you throw tthe away with out reading them! Hell hath no fury within a hundred miles!

I will give up meat when man/woman evolves so that he/she has no canine teeth whose only purpose is tearing meat! 

Until then bring on the steaks, sausages and bacon/ham!

[Aruntraveller]

Really ?

About the vegans I mean.

Must be because I'm in a different part of the country. No problem with them here. By which I mean I never notice them, get leaflets from them or are in anyway influenced by them either by being lectured or having my awareness raised or anything.

Off for a bacon sarnie now.

Nighty-night.

[Rhiannon]

My only gripe with vegans is that too many go for the (non-leather) sandals and socks combo. It's intensely distracting.

[Maeght]

In my personal experience - yes, most definitely!

My last boss would get into work early in order to leave pro-vegan, anti-vegetarian, anti-meat pamphlest and screeds on every desk in the office and God help you if she saw you throw tthe away with out reading them! Hell hath no fury within a hundred miles!

I will give up meat when man/woman evolves so that he/she has no canine teeth whose only purpose is tearing meat! 

Until then bring on the steaks, sausages and bacon/ham!

I'm vegan and do not campaign or leave leaflets around. I do what I personnally feel comfortable with and let others do the same but if asked I will explain why I am vegan and discuss things, when people are interested - such as the only purpose of our canine teeth to be tearing meat.