666

[NicholasMarks]

In Revelation we are told of the number of the beast…being, 666. It is the number of a man, and many Biblical scholars have tried to understand what is meant here. Me to…I have pondered this one and have come up with an answer.

Isaiah is a man and in Isaiah we find a description of all evil receiving their Judgement....

Isaiah 66:6  (KJV)

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Are we being told here that those who join together in an oppressive philosophy, in opposition to Almighty God and Jesus Christ, will, in the last days, become that beast, and will all suffer the same fate…even though their number include many nationalities and many different guises…they each have the same philosophy.

Even more reason to check out our own thoughts and actions and align them with Jesus’ accurate teaching.

[Anchorman]

I trust you are not using Is 66:6 simply because of the numbering, NM? The chapters and verse notation would have been unknown in either Old or New Testament times, being an early medieval addition to Scripture  for convenient reference.

[Brownie]

For light relief, here is a little ditty composed and sung by His Holiness the Parson of the Presbylutheran Church:
Regurgitated by Satan, He couldn't keep it dow.n Old 666, he got sick, sick, sick And that's how volcanoes were born.
(From The Simpsons)

[NicholasMarks]

I trust you are not using Is 66:6 simply because of the numbering, NM? The chapters and verse notation would have been unknown in either Old or New Testament times, being an early medieval addition to Scripture  for convenient reference.

It seems you have broken my reasoning Anchorman...except that I'm not convinced because Biblical teaching is usually correct at the appropriate time and I suggest that now is that appropriate time.

[Hope]

In Revelation we are told of the number of the beast…being, 666. It is the number of a man, and many Biblical scholars have tried to understand what is meant here. Me to…I have pondered this one and have come up with an answer.

Isaiah is a man and in Isaiah we find a description of all evil receiving their Judgement....

Isaiah 66:6  (KJV)

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Are we being told here that those who join together in an oppressive philosophy, in opposition to Almighty God and Jesus Christ, will, in the last days, become that beast, and will all suffer the same fate…even though their number include many nationalities and many different guises…they each have the same philosophy.

Even more reason to check out our own thoughts and actions and align them with Jesus’ accurate teaching.

It could be that that is a reasonable explanation, NM, but then (as Jim has already pointed out) the 66:6 reference notation for this verse would have had no meaning for those of the time.

[Hope]

It seems you have broken my reasoning Anchorman...except that I'm not convinced because Biblical teaching is usually correct at the appropriate time and I suggest that now is that appropriate time.

Again, you are correct - to a degree.  I'd suggest that - as Biblical teaching is relevant to any point in time - any time is appropriate.

[NicholasMarks]

It could be that that is a reasonable explanation, NM, but then (as Jim has already pointed out) the 66:6 reference notation for this verse would have had no meaning for those of the time.

Thank you for that Hope...I refer you to my response above to Anchorman as it is the only defense I have. But in addition we must realise that it is Almighty God we are talking about and his wonderful son Jesus Christ who have an uncanny knowledge of future events not the least being the approach of Wormwood and the devastation it will cause...and...if I may...the wonderful hope for our future...if we follow Jesus accurately.

[Hope]

Thank you for that Hope...I refer you to my response above to Anchorman as it is the only defense I have. But in addition we must realise that it is Almighty God we are talking about and his wonderful son Jesus Christ who have an uncanny knowledge of future events not the least being the approach of Wormwood and the devastation it will cause...and...if I may...the wonderful hope for our future...if we follow Jesus accurately.

I think you will find that the possibility of such devastation is made pretty clear in books of the Old Testament.  Incidentally, the other form of the name in Revelation is Apsinthos (I wonder whether the term 'absinthe' comes from this?)

[NicholasMarks]

I think you will find that the possibility of such devastation is made pretty clear in books of the Old Testament.  Incidentally, the other form of the name in Revelation is Apsinthos (I wonder whether the term 'absinthe' comes from this?)

I think I get your drift there Hope...but Revelation, to me, means quite the opposite...the opening up of the eyes...the mind....and the truth of Almighty God, about future events and what's in store for us all.  We don't have to look too hard to find the many images revealed in Revelation have some powerful manifestations in this day and age...which...like 666...couldn't really be understood till now.

Almost as if the modern version of this truth had been written in a scroll to be revealed at the appointed time.

[Brownie]

Hope I found this in Wiki: The French word absinthe can refer either to the alcoholic beverage or, less commonly, to the actual wormwood plant, with grande absinthe being Artemisia absinthium, and petite absinthe being Artemisia pontica. The Latin name artemisia comes from Artemis, the ancient Greek goddess of the hunt. Absinthe is derived from the Latin absinthium, which in turn comes from the ancient Greek ἀψίνθιον apsínthion, "wormwood".[9] The use of Artemisia absinthium in a drink is attested in Lucretius' De Rerum Natura (I 936–950), where Lucretius indicates that a drink containing wormwood is given as medicine to children in a cup with honey on the brim to make it drinkable.

Wormwood mentioned a lot.
Before Nicholas, the only Wormwood I'd ever heard of was the Scrubs!
Wormwood: a state or source of bitterness or grief.

[NicholasMarks]

Hope I found this in Wiki: The French word absinthe can refer either to the alcoholic beverage or, less commonly, to the actual wormwood plant, with grande absinthe being Artemisia absinthium, and petite absinthe being Artemisia pontica. The Latin name artemisia comes from Artemis, the ancient Greek goddess of the hunt. Absinthe is derived from the Latin absinthium, which in turn comes from the ancient Greek ἀψίνθιον apsínthion, "wormwood".[9] The use of Artemisia absinthium in a drink is attested in Lucretius' De Rerum Natura (I 936–950), where Lucretius indicates that a drink containing wormwood is given as medicine to children in a cup with honey on the brim to make it drinkable.

Wormwood mentioned a lot.
Before Nicholas, the only Wormwood I'd ever heard of was the Scrubs!
Wormwood: a state or source of bitterness or grief.

Thanks for that Brownie...most informative.

[Brownie]

Thanks to you, Nicholas!  I have learned a lot from researching some of what you post.

[jeremyp]

Clearly it refers to Steve Harris

[floo]

The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft.

[Anchorman]

The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft.

The book of Revelation is great for extreme Christians with a very vivid imagination, as it can be interpreted to mean anything they wish, however daft.

Sorry, floo, I disagree. I'm not your definition of an extreme Christian. However I value Revelation for many reasons, and have used it many times for personal study, and preached bits of it as well. Admittedly the apocalyptic language may seem daunting; in this it was following typical Jewish apocalyptic works of the preceding centuries. However there is much in Revelation that indicates contemporary thought - and the situation facing the Church at the end of the first century, couched in 'coded' language for obvious reasons. That the end-time eschatology is mixed up there, sometimes randomly, makes study even more difficult, nevertheless study in the light of the history of the time in which the book was written is theologically speaking, valuable.

[ekim]

Are you a 666er or a 616er?  I believe that according to a newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, the number is 616.

[Anchorman]

Are you a 666er or a 616er?  I believe that according to a newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, the number is 616.

Are you speaking of the fragment discovered in Roman Egypt?

[ekim]

Are you speaking of the fragment discovered in Roman Egypt?

A quote from a report:
"The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic  techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing."

[floo]

Sorry, floo, I disagree. I'm not your definition of an extreme Christian. However I value Revelation for many reasons, and have used it many times for personal study, and preached bits of it as well. Admittedly the apocalyptic language may seem daunting; in this it was following typical Jewish apocalyptic works of the preceding centuries. However there is much in Revelation that indicates contemporary thought - and the situation facing the Church at the end of the first century, couched in 'coded' language for obvious reasons. That the end-time eschatology is mixed up there, sometimes randomly, makes study even more difficult, nevertheless study in the light of the history of the time in which the book was written is theologically speaking, valuable.

It is a great pity Revelation was ever included in the Bible, it nearly didn't make it. The end times garbage it supposedly predicts has been used as a threat in order to get people to convert, which is so wrong as there is no evidence to substantiate it. Jesus appeared to suggest it would happen in the life time of his disciples, if he couldn't get it right no one can.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It is a great pity Revelation was ever included in the Bible, it nearly didn't make it. The end times garbage it supposedly predicts has been used as a threat in order to get people to convert

For a modern secular apocalyptic check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse

[floo]

For a modern secular apocalyptic check this out.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/13-crises-we-face-trump-soil-loss-global-collapse

Throughout history there have apocalyptic events, but so far we have survived them. Eventually the world will end of course, but nothing to do with any god or second coming, imo.

[NicholasMarks]

A quote from a report:
"The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic  techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing."

Perhaps they will be able to tell us what is written in that little scroll...eaten by John, and which, in his mouth, it was sweet, but in his belly exceedingly bitter...then sealed till the appointed time...the time of the end and which will prove that Almighty God has been monitoring us all along and knows exactly who are  Jesus' faithful and who are following  Satan's philosophy so that God's Judgement can be administered fairly...because the sentence is frightening.

[NicholasMarks]

Thanks to you, Nicholas!  I have learned a lot from researching some of what you post.

Thanks Brownie...but please remember I write from inspiration and knowledge gleaned from Biblical instruction and give all credit to Jesus and his father...but remember...con men can say the same and be totally convincing until they've had all your money so always be guarded.

[floo]

Thanks Brownie...but please remember I write from inspiration and knowledge gleaned from Biblical instruction and give all credit to Jesus and his father...but remember...con men can say the same and be totally convincing until they've had all your money so always be guarded.

Maybe the 'inspiration and knowledge' you have gleaned from the Bible is all a big con, as you have found it totalling convincing?

[NicholasMarks]

Maybe the 'inspiration and knowledge' you have gleaned from the Bible is all a big con, as you have found it totalling convincing?

Are you getting your insight and inspiration from that philosophy and teaching encapsulated  by that number 666 Floo because if you aren't you are giving a good impression to the contrary.