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[NicholasMarks]

Don't tell him Nicholas.  His name adds up to 66 and is therefore a little beast.

There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.

[ippy]

Don't tell him Nicholas.  His name adds up to 66 and is therefore a little beast.

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ippy

[ippy]

There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.

Without the luxury of knowing Paul's innermost thoughts, one way or the other, the same as you Nick, I would like to know how you have come to think you know so much?

Any reply Nick, remember making any attempt use the bible to prove the bible is silly whichever camp you like to place yourself in.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Without the luxury of knowing Paul's innermost thoughts, one way or the other, the same as you Nick, I would like to know how you have come to think you know so much?

Any reply Nick, remember making any attempt use the bible to prove the bible is silly whichever camp you like to place yourself in.

ippy

Anything I say will be twisted and turned into something to suit you ippy and anyway why should I even try to meet your criteria when I have my own??...The fact remains that you must align yourself with accurate righteous teaching to be saved but clearly you don't want to.

When I learnt the scientific fact that behind all existence is an electric/spiritual force that is identified in the Holy Bible, and now science, I began realising more and more about science and the many different things that handicap modern science from telling us how things truly work...and it's all about prestige, greed and false authority over Almighty God.

The Holy Bible by-passes those problems.

[floo]

There are many things I could tell you all but you just aren't receptive. ..so it will just have to wait...after all it is only those who are saved who need to know and clearly many here don't wish to be saved. But that doesn't alter Almighty God's and Jesus' stance to save as many as can be.

I did the 'saved' bit when I was 11, and was even devout for a while, until I started seriously question my faith and I realised it had no credibility.

[ippy]

Anything I say will be twisted and turned into something to suit you ippy and anyway why should I even try to meet your criteria when I have my own??...The fact remains that you must align yourself with accurate righteous teaching to be saved but clearly you don't want to.

When I learnt the scientific fact that behind all existence is an electric/spiritual force that is identified in the Holy Bible, and now science, I began realising more and more about science and the many different things that handicap modern science from telling us how things truly work...and it's all about prestige, greed and false authority over Almighty God.

The Holy Bible by-passes those problems.

No need to twist anything Nick, just a straight answer to my previous post number 52 on this thread will do.

What's the problem Nick? I'm not asking anything other than a straight answer, minus another sermon, that would be nice?

There's no trick question involved, apologies if I have given you that impression.

My reference to not using the bible to prove the bible doesn't involve any twisting you in any way Nick, it's rather obvious to anyone that using the bible to substantiate the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of the bible is an extremely silly thing to do.

ippy

[NicholasMarks]

I did the 'saved' bit when I was 11, and was even devout for a while, until I started seriously question my faith and I realised it had no credibility.

Eleven is a little young to even begin to understand the depths of oppression and how many people are led down that road of despair at the whim of a handful of people who behave like cancer-cells rather than human beings. This is where I get my analogy with the cancer-cell and how our own bullying inflicts injury on our own genetics in the same way that oppressors inflict terrible health problems on the unsuspecting normal population...but you need the guidance and support of accurate righteous teaching to even begin to understand it. But there is no need to understand it because the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ does that for you.

[NicholasMarks]

No need to twist anything Nick, just a straight answer to my previous post number 52 on this thread will do.

What's the problem Nick? I'm not asking anything other than a straight answer, minus another sermon, that would be nice?

There's no trick question involved, apologies if I have given you that impression.

My reference to not using the bible to prove the bible doesn't involve any twisting you in any way Nick, it's rather obvious to anyone that using the bible to substantiate the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of the bible is an extremely silly thing to do.

ippy

Clearly it isn't obvious to you ippy that I have already answered you many times even in my last post but you aren't reading them or are just ill-equipped to understand plain speaking.

I need no further proof other than to point out to you that trying to wind up a circular argument is very stressful for you just as screaming and shouting at football matches is and the net outcome is that that hysteria passes to our genetics which also start behaving wildly, kicking out at the good order of other surrounding healthier cells without any genetic interest in rest of the body...we call this cancer but I see it as electric/nervous/spiritual oppression...hysterical body cells...which is why the Jews looked so down-trodden when cancerous oppressors took it upon themselves to eliminate their species.

Where did I get all this from??...The Holy Bible, of course...and in particular the Gospels.

[Anchorman]

The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ. You see...too many people following a teaching of caring and good order threatened the stability of the ones winding up the masses by fear and threats...the fear held all the people together feeding the wealth, privilege and domination that oppression thrives on.

The problem here is that oppression cripples thought, health, and good order, and Jesus wanted to tell those who were following righteousness that they could have another, righteous string, to their bow...a string that is attached to reality at one end and resurrection at the other...and the frequency that this string resonates at is health, repair, good order, and everlasting life...just by following Jesus Christ accurately.

 

The Roman Empire might meet your criteria of a good system, Anchorman, but obviously not for those following Jesus Christ. You see...too many people following a teaching of caring and good order threatened the stability of the ones winding up the masses by fear and threats...the fear held all the people together feeding the wealth, privilege and domination that oppression thrives on.

The problem here is that oppression cripples thought, health, and good order, and Jesus wanted to tell those who were following righteousness that they could have another, righteous string, to their bow...a string that is attached to reality at one end and resurrection at the other...and the frequency that this string resonates at is health, repair, good order, and everlasting life...just by following Jesus Christ accurately.

 

Hang on.
Where did I say that the Roman Empire was a good system, NM?
I simply stated that you were wrong in suggesting that it was administered by 'bullies'. The Roman system was an empire: it worked by administrators, governors and soldiers, most born outside Italy itself, governing a vast swathe of territory.
For the most part, those territories were willing participants, pacified and prospering under Imperial governance.
That is not approval or disapproval, neither is it theory or theology, simply historical fact.
We may pass the judgement of history on the system from our perspective, but from a real stand point, the indisputable fact is that, for the most part, the Pax Romana in first-third century Rome worked.

[ippy]

Clearly it isn't obvious to you ippy that I have already answered you many times even in my last post but you aren't reading them or are just ill-equipped to understand plain speaking.

I need no further proof other than to point out to you that trying to wind up a circular argument is very stressful for you just as screaming and shouting at football matches is and the net outcome is that that hysteria passes to our genetics which also start behaving wildly, kicking out at the good order of other surrounding healthier cells without any genetic interest in rest of the body...we call this cancer but I see it as electric/nervous/spiritual oppression...hysterical body cells...which is why the Jews looked so down-trodden when cancerous oppressors took it upon themselves to eliminate their species.
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Where did I get all this from??...The Holy Bible, of course...and in particular the Gospels.

Yes you did get all of it from the, as you call it the holy bible, that's where you are impenertratable, you're suffering with an extreem form of biblical myopia; that's fine now lets put that bit to one side.

All I would like to know is where have you managed to get the information from that has so convinced you that this superstition based book is a part of reality, the only thing you have offered is, more or less, sayings and references that you seem to think come from this bible of yours.

Even the theists on this forum wonder where a lot of the stuff you say comes from the bible, can be located in your book.

I'm ok with you thinking I don't understand the verifiable evidence that could prove your bible is in fact a part of reality, if it gets it off your chest fire away at me with both barrels I really don't mind, however I have understood most of your posts to date, some of the far out electric bits are a bit confusing but I have got the general gist of the most parts of your confused sermons.

Right, now try to explain this verifiable evidence you say you have, once you've done it, circle broken, there it's all in your hands now. 

As soon as I've checked this verifiable evidence and can see you've got it right, I'll no longer be an atheist, I'll have to join you; I've no choice if your evidence is in fact verifiable.

Kind regards ippy

[NicholasMarks]

Hang on.
Where did I say that the Roman Empire was a good system, NM?
I simply stated that you were wrong in suggesting that it was administered by 'bullies'. The Roman system was an empire: it worked by administrators, governors and soldiers, most born outside Italy itself, governing a vast swathe of territory.
For the most part, those territories were willing participants, pacified and prospering under Imperial governance.
That is not approval or disapproval, neither is it theory or theology, simply historical fact.
We may pass the judgement of history on the system from our perspective, but from a real stand point, the indisputable fact is that, for the most part, the Pax Romana in first-third century Rome worked.

You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.

I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.

You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.

Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.



 

[ippy]

You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.

I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.

You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.

Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.

I'll have to hand it to you Nick, you've got a vivid imagination.

ippy 

[Brownie]

NM reality and you appear to be an oxymoron where matters of faith are concerned.

Floo, Nicholas said: ..." oppression cripples thought, health, and good order".

Do you not agree with that, at least?

[floo]

Eleven is a little young to even begin to understand the depths of oppression and how many people are led down that road of despair at the whim of a handful of people who behave like cancer-cells rather than human beings. This is where I get my analogy with the cancer-cell and how our own bullying inflicts injury on our own genetics in the same way that oppressors inflict terrible health problems on the unsuspecting normal population...but you need the guidance and support of accurate righteous teaching to even begin to understand it. But there is no need to understand it because the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ does that for you.

Goodness knows what the long dead Jesus and what he is quoted as saying has anything to do with health problems is well beyond me!

[Anchorman]

You've just said it again Anchorman. You are condoning a system that wrote its own history.

I agree that many systems took their lead from it...that is why the world is in such a state today. Almighty God and Jesus weren't fooled...they knew that all these regimes were built upon the oppression, many deaths, and keeping of the common mass under the boot...then wrote pretty things about themselves.

You may have noticed that when Jesus appeared on the scene and gave a little spiritual comfort to the masses they gathered in great numbers to align with his comfort and kind words telling us just how deep and unpleasant the oppression was...this is why the followers of Jesus and Jesus himself had to go. It's a bit like the Mafia. Aggression, a few deaths, and the leader becomes a figure-head that must be obeyed. Hitler did a good imitation as well...and I can identify a few others. So...let's cut to the chase...Jesus died showing us a wonderful way of life that will still exist even after the great tribulations but the image-craft of creating fear and hysterical mindlessness will leave aboard the fiery lake of sulphur and we will all be able to enjoy righteousness which includes repair, resurrection and everlasting life. Hysterical control will be a thing of the past...even if ippy, and many others, seem to prefer it.

Don't blame me...blame Almighty God.



 

Whoa!
Where have I 'condoned history' NM?
Stating fact is not agreeing with the system.
We may put our own interpretation on the fact.
We may judge the system by our standards.
However fact remains fact, whether you or I like it or not.
All the evidence from objective historians, archaeology, etc shows that, for the most part. the Roman Empire survived as a relatively peaceful, cohesive structure.
You look at things from thre standpoint of Israel/Palestine in the first century - understandable, given the life and times of Christ - and the jumping off point that God used to build His church.
However historians cannot afford to be subjective - to do so skewes history.
With the best will in the world, Palestine, though a vital focus of our thoughts and faith, was never more than an irritation in first century Roman thought and actions.
Even the hell of Masada was a very minor 'policing exercise' in the scheme of things - in a vast empire where, for the most part, oppression and rebellion were consigned to the margins.
We may not like it.
We may not agree or condone the actions.
But we cannot ignore the facts.

[NicholasMarks]

Whoa!
Where have I 'condoned history' NM?
Stating fact is not agreeing with the system.
We may put our own interpretation on the fact.
We may judge the system by our standards.
However fact remains fact, whether you or I like it or not.
All the evidence from objective historians, archaeology, etc shows that, for the most part. the Roman Empire survived as a relatively peaceful, cohesive structure.
You look at things from thre standpoint of Israel/Palestine in the first century - understandable, given the life and times of Christ - and the jumping off point that God used to build His church.
However historians cannot afford to be subjective - to do so skewes history.
With the best will in the world, Palestine, though a vital focus of our thoughts and faith, was never more than an irritation in first century Roman thought and actions.
Even the hell of Masada was a very minor 'policing exercise' in the scheme of things - in a vast empire where, for the most part, oppression and rebellion were consigned to the margins.
We may not like it.
We may not agree or condone the actions.
But we cannot ignore the facts.

Oppression is something which doesn’t really have a history Anchorman…The pain and the suffering doesn’t really get written down. Had Hitler won the war his version of events would have been very different to the version we have now and to have tried to tell historical truth would have been punished by death…and the Jews wouldn’t have had a mention.  This is the wonderful part of Biblical history that it still exists today even though oppressors would rather it wasn’t.

Oppression relies exclusively upon winding up the emotions of the masses. It has a deeper spiritual reasoning  which is better understood via Jesus’ accurate teaching…our spiritual strength which supports and controls our physical health is bled away leaving us defenceless against tyrants/bully’s …so it makes sense to upbuild our spiritual stature if we don’t want to develop the health problems delivered by oppression…and this is achieved by taking in the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

All through history there is evidence of this oppression where tyrants have authority over the masses regardless of good order, good health and truth. There hall-mark is often a method of frightening the masses via terrible acts and one thing to look for is their hysterical machines of distress which keeps everyone supporting them. Often it is religious procedures like human sacrifice…Hitler used death camps and the Romans used amphitheaters and crucifixion as the generating force of hysteria. So rely on Biblical teaching first.

[floo]

And god supposedly flooded the world when having a temper tantrum, that is evil!

[NicholasMarks]

And god supposedly flooded the world when having a temper tantrum, that is evil!

I rather fancy that Almighty God was preempting a disaster that his electric force was responsible for, a force for  which he speaks, when he prepared Noah to save himself but wasn't too bothered about the rest because they were all so evil.

This is similar to when these planetary bodies come into our air-space just as God has forewarned, telling us to make our own ark out of our own spirit by preparing it righteously, else face the consequences.

Preparing 'it' righteously can only be achieved via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
 

[floo]

I rather fancy that Almighty God was preempting a disaster that his electric force was responsible for, a force for  which he speaks, when he prepared Noah to save himself but wasn't too bothered about the rest because they were all so evil.

This is similar to when these planetary bodies come into our air-space just as God has forewarned, telling us to make our own ark out of our own spirit by preparing it righteously, else face the consequences.

Preparing 'it' righteously can only be achieved via Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.
 

NM your statements get more and more weird each time you post!

Even if all the people on Earth  were evil, which is a daft notion, what had babies, young children and animals done wrong?

[NicholasMarks]

Even if all the people on Earth  were evil, which is a daft notion, what had babies, young children and animals done wrong?

A natural disaster doesn't ask permission...and doesn't segregate the good from the bad...but following righteousness certainly does because it is a universal, indestructible strength owned by Almighty God...It saved Jesus so it can save us if we upbuild a righteous spirit in his likeness.

[floo]

A natural disaster doesn't ask permission...and doesn't segregate the good from the bad...but following righteousness certainly does because it is a universal, indestructible strength owned by Almighty God...It saved Jesus so it can save us if we upbuild a righteous spirit in his likeness.

The 'natural disaster' in the Bible was supposedly directly caused by god, so the buck stops with it. Read Genesis 6 v 5-8 without putting your weird spin on it. Goodness knows why god thought Noah was such a good person, the guy got drunk then cursed Canaan, Ham's son Canaan, when all Ham did was to see his old man naked! Genesis 9 v20-29.

[NicholasMarks]

The 'natural disaster' in the Bible was supposedly directly caused by god, so the buck stops with it. Read Genesis 6 v 5-8 without putting your weird spin on it. Goodness knows why god thought Noah was such a good person, the guy got drunk then cursed Canaan, Ham's son Canaan, when all Ham did was to see his old man naked! Genesis 9 v20-29.

Almighty God speaks for every expression that is controlled by his dynamic forces. He created the entire mass in the entire universe with it and all its associated sciences...so he speaks on its behalf...Electric, dynamic energy can't speak, but a living entity that has thorough knowledge of that dynamic energy, and is in fact a living limb of all that energy, can. This is why God takes responsibility of all good and all bad events but his code entitles us to be spiritual too, after the likeness of Jesus....Your preference is eternal damnation because you refuse to listen to your saviour just means one less to worry about, Floo.

[floo]

Almighty God speaks for every expression that is controlled by his dynamic forces. He created the entire mass in the entire universe with it and all its associated sciences...so he speaks on its behalf...Electric, dynamic energy can't speak, but a living entity that has thorough knowledge of that dynamic energy, and is in fact a living limb of all that energy, can. This is why God takes responsibility of all good and all bad events but his code entitles us to be spiritual too, after the likeness of Jesus....Your preference is eternal damnation because you refuse to listen to your saviour just means one less to worry about, Floo.

Here we go again NM. It is a great pity you don't put your overactive imagination to much better use. Threatening people with your daft spin is not a good idea especially when there is no evidence to support it. It is water off a ducks back to me, but I am concerned that anyone who is vulnerable might take your nonsense seriously!

[NicholasMarks]

Here we go again NM. It is a great pity you don't put your overactive imagination to much better use. Threatening people with your daft spin is not a good idea especially when there is no evidence to support it. It is water off a ducks back to me, but I am concerned that anyone who is vulnerable might take your nonsense seriously!

The whole world will be taking Almighty God seriously when the tell-tale signs I am pointing out to you all become indisputable...Floo...and it wont be long now, I don't think.

The point you are missing is that the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ isn't harmful at all. It is bringing our own person into good order...now that may be offensive to you but I rather fancy that, like all science, it will eventually become the accepted truth. Accepted by those living on planet Earth and by those on a very unpleasant journey a long way from here.

That is what that Holy Book which you not only ignore but are outspoken in condemning says Floo...and it is those following your belief who Almighty God blames the state of this world on.

 

[Sebastian Toe]

.and it wont be long now, I don't think.

Nick
Is that the same or different to - 'soon'?