BIBLE PROMISES

[Hope]

Weren't listening? Oh come on that is not a sensible answer!

It is actually a very sensible answer, Floo.  Most of us would accept that we haven't heard what people have said to us because we have been waiting for a specific response - which might not have been the one they've given: at other times, we listen very carefully to a particular communication channel, so that when it comes via a different channel, we don't hear.

[Hope]

by what method is the communication made , would I hear it if i were stood next to you ?

It can be via one's conscience, a comment made by a stranger or a friend, something that you see in your everyday life - a poster, a letter or article in a newspaper, something ihn the natural world; God speaks in a whole host of ways, not always using sound.

[Hope]

If god/Jesus are around why aren't they visible to everyone so no one can deny their presence, instead of playing silly games with humans?

Floo, how often have you been travelling from A to B and seen absolutely everything that you could have seen over that distance - on that particular day or even time of day?

[jeremyp]

It can be via one's conscience, a comment made by a stranger or a friend, something that you see in your everyday life - a poster, a letter or article in a newspaper, something ihn the natural world; God speaks in a whole host of ways, not always using sound.

So God communicates with you by violating other people's free will.

[NicholasMarks]

So God communicates with you by violating other people's free will.

In the main Almighty God communicated most of his guidence and direction via Jesus Christ. If we are following Jesus accurately we automatically know how to respond to a given situation because there is usually a direct Biblical example and sometimes you see similar situations developing that have a direct comparison within the Bible.

What I find particularly useful is that by trying to stay Biblically cool, calm, and collected, and not respond to the artificial stimulation that advertising, media, propaganda and other undesirable influences throw at us constantly, I usually have sufficient adrenalin in my system to cover all the distress when others are arguing and shouting even going hysterical and that can save yours and others lives.

[Brownie]

Posted by: Hope on: December 17, 2016, 05:36:54 PM

Quote from: Anchorman on December 16, 2016, 11:32:02 AM
I. on the other hand, find joy in every momment I spend with Christ.

Likewise.
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(Speaking to fellow Christians here, we know others will think we are bonkers but it isn't unreasonable, on the Christian Topic forum, to communicate with those who have similar beliefs. Not proselytising at all!):

I wouldn't say I feel exactly the same - no two people experience exactly the same - but I do find my relationship with God (the Father) to be very good and comforting, most of the time.  Sorry if that sounds vague  , if I explained further the thread would go well off topic!  My love for God the Father, and his for me, is something I cherish.  Love Jesus too of course but it's different entirely.

[floo]

Susan, you and others have made this claim on numerous occasions over the years, both here and elsewhere.  No-one has ever produced any evidence to support the assertion, though.

I too have said many times, there is no evidence to support the existence of any god, you haven't come up with any. Until there is definitive proof, the human imagination has to be a strong contender for their creation.

[ippy]

The easy answer is just a Susan Doris has said so eloquently before me, I would have said in answer to your opening comment:

"Can you tell me please why does God's word promise so much and yet fulfils so very little to nothing in the lives of many devout Christians".

Easy to answer Rachel, the idea of anything like a god is rather obviously a man made concept and since no one has ever come up with any viable evidence to support the idea it's pretty safe to dismiss the god idea to the dustbin of history along with a load of other nonsense like, Flat Earth, Astrology, Tarot, Unicorns and loads more of it.

ippy   

[Walter]

A pity that neither you, nor anyone else has ever managed to produce any evidence to support the various assertions that you make in this post, Walter.

hahahahahahah. good one ,Hope!

[floo]

Considering the number of assertions Hope makes about god etc, it is a bit rich him accusing others of doing the same.

[Sebastian Toe]

A pity that neither you, nor anyone else has ever managed to produce any evidence to support the various assertions that you make in this post, Walter.

Maybe they have Hope, maybe they did produced an answer but you were waiting on a specific response?
It does happen, doesn't it?

Most of us would accept that we haven't heard what people have said to us because we have been waiting for a specific response - which might not have been the one they've given: at other times, we listen very carefully to a particular communication channel, so that when it comes via a different channel, we don't hear.

[Dicky Underpants]

My first impression was of great sadness because of all the disappointment and obvious lack of Godly response in your life Rachael. I have spoken with a number of anxious people in my time and not one of them has such a cleverly written and articulate letter to support their case filled with punches against the faith and which certainly runs against the grain of my experiences. So, the question arises...is this a genuine letter??

My advice to anyone reading it is...take it on face value...but let's see what else Rachael contributes because wolves in sheep clothing is one of the signs we should look out for...and those that believe implicitly in Jesus Christ are not fools.

Oh dear! Did she actually say something that contradicts your idea that 'following Jesus' accurate teaching' leads to a life of health, wealth and happiness?  The Book of Job suggests that 'righteous' people may have a very hard time of it. That book goes on to suggest that Job was 'rewarded' in the end, but one senses that the author(s) felt they had to give the book a happy ending, to encourage faith.
But the Book of Job is not about telling people how serving God leads to a happy life - it's an enquiry into why horrible things happen to good people. The answer given is not very satisfactory in my opinion, but it's a brave attempt to face the horrors that life flings in our faces. Certainly one of the best writings in the Bible.

[SusanDoris]

As I thought might happen, here we are at #61 and no Rachel Henderson!!

[Brownie]

jeremyp:

It can be via one's conscience, a comment made by a stranger or a friend, something that you see in your everyday life - a poster, a letter or article in a newspaper, something ihn the natural world; God speaks in a whole host of ways, not always using sound.

So God communicates with you by violating other people's free will.

jeremy, I honestly don't follow how you reached that conclusion from what Hope said, with which I concur.
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Susan, well we didn't really expect Rachel to come back though I hoped she would.  Perhaps she's reading all our posts and thinking about them.

[Nearly Sane]

jeremyp:
jeremy, I honestly don't follow how you reached that conclusion from what Hope said, with which I concur.
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Susan, well we didn't really expect Rachel to come back though I hoped she would.  Perhaps she's reading all our posts and thinking about them.

Because if god causes someone to say something it's not their choice to say it, it's a manipulation. And God is Derrin Brown

[Brownie]

   Well I never knew that, NS, the Israelites did have various names for God but Derren Brown doesn't sound all that Jewish.

[Sassy]

Seems no one is coming back...Sowing seeds of discourse and discontent and then leaving without any real sincere want of answers.

[Rosindubh]

Because if god causes someone to say something it's not their choice to say it, it's a manipulation. And God is Derrin Brown

Hi Nearly Sane,
Thanks for the above post.

But if anybody 'encourages' another to speak or warn about what they already know or believe, is that interfering with somebody's free-will?   Perhaps that is the way God works?

God bless

[Sassy]

Why are they not healed if Gods answer to prayer is that he wants them healed?

Why do Gods people die from a lack of understanding?

Just throwing into the mix that God wants everyone healed and Christ taught us that.

[Shaker]

Just throwing into the mix that God wants everyone healed and Christ taught us that.

P45 time for God, then.

[Hope]

P45 time for God, then.

I think that that will occur long after many other ideas have been given their P45s and pensioned off.

[Hope]

So God communicates with you by violating other people's free will.

Perhaps you could unpack that rather 'non sequituur' comment, jeremy?

[Anchorman]

Why are they not healed if Gods answer to prayer is that he wants them healed?

Why do Gods people die from a lack of understanding?

Just throwing into the mix that God wants everyone healed and Christ taught us that.

Really?
Paul wasn't.
Mot only did he have his 'thorn in the flesh', but he was losing his sight with advancing years - probably cataract or macular degeneration.

[Sassy]

P45 time for God, then.

It is easy to see how lack of knowledge makes people blame everyone but themselves.

Seems as the managing director/CEO God would not have a P45 he is the one who hands them out.

So the difference is the way we think the lack of knowledge on your part.

[floo]

Thus spake Sass!