'Are we entitled to our own truth?'

[Nearly Sane]

Pithy little article from Emanual Papparella. In the end though, IMO,  it's a restatement of the problems of our biases.


http://tinyurl.com/zyzc5nq

[floo]

If our so called 'truth' isn't harming others then I guess we are entitled to it. However, if we try to force it on others with threats if they don't accept it, it is a BIG PROBLEM.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

If our so called 'truth' isn't harming others then I guess we are entitled to it. However, if we try to force it on others with threats if they don't accept it, it is a BIG PROBLEM.

Theats such as this, for example?

British values oath proposed for public office holders

Writing in the Sunday Times, Mr Javid said people could not play a "positive role" in public life unless they accepted basic values.

[Hope]

Pithy little article from Emanual Papparella. In the end though, IMO,  it's a restatement of the problems of our biases.


http://tinyurl.com/zyzc5nq

What do you mean by 'our own truth', Nearly?

[Hope]

If our so called 'truth' isn't harming others then I guess we are entitled to it. However, if we try to force it on others with threats if they don't accept it, it is a BIG PROBLEM.

So, would you agree that scientific truth, that only has itself as verification, shouldn't be forced on people?

[Nearly Sane]

What do you mean by 'our own truth', Nearly?

Erm I am quoting the article title, that's why it's in quotes. So asking me what I mean by it isn't the correct approach

[Nearly Sane]

So, would you agree that scientific truth, that only has itself as verification, shouldn't be forced on people?

So you think that children shouldn't be stopped from drinking acid or handling poisonous snakes!

[wigginhall]

I'm sick of being force-fed quantum mechanics, why I saw it mentioned on X-factor the other day.   Disgusting.   And all that gravity nonsense, let's leave that to the EU. 

[Hope]

Erm I am quoting the article title, that's why it's in quotes. So asking me what I mean by it isn't the correct approach

Well, NS, you have started the thread, so you must have some idea of how you understand the article title.  I accept that I may not have made myself clear.

[Nearly Sane]

Well, NS, you have started the thread, so you must have some idea of how you understand the article title.  I accept that I may not have made myself clear.

Why if I start a thread based on an article would I provide my understanding of every tern used by the author? I suggest you read the article and respond to that, just as I did in my first post.

[floo]

So, would you agree that scientific truth, that only has itself as verification, shouldn't be forced on people?

Scientific discoveries  can usually be verified, unlike religion.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Scientific discoveries  can usually be verified, unlike religion.

So how many scientific discoveries have you verified for yourself Floo?

For those that you haven't, on what basis do you accept them as being correct?

[Nearly Sane]

So how many scientific discoveries have you verified for yourself Floo?

For those that you haven't, on what basis do you accept them as being correct?

So you tried drinking acid or handling poisonous snakes?

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

So you tried drinking acid or handling poisonous snakes?

Which is why I asked Floo

For those that you haven't, on what basis do you accept them as being correct?

[Nearly Sane]

Which is why I asked Floo

so you have tried handling poisonous snakes then.

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

so you have tried handling poisonous snakes then.

I don't like any kind of snakes so would avoid handling them, given the choice.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't like any kind of snakes so would avoid handling them, given the choice.

Evasion noted

[SusanDoris]

I don't like any kind of snakes so would avoid handling them, given the choice.

Evasions noted.

Which scientific truths do you reject?

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Evasion noted

No evasion. The premise for your examples didn't apply. I don't like snakes, period, and the only acids i consume are the ones in food products. For whatever reason, I've never felt the need to consume e.g. hydrochloric or sulphuric acid.

Which scientific truths do you reject?

How are you defining truths? Something that is factual and verifiable by anyone, such as a claim that Theresa May is the Prime Minister?

[Nearly Sane]

No evasion. The premise for your examples didn't apply. I don't like snakes, period, and the only acids i consume are the ones in food products. For whatever reason, I've never felt the need to consume e.g. hydrochloric or sulphuric acid.
How are you defining truths? Something that is factual and verifiable by anyone, such as a claim that Theresa May is the Prime Minister?

And further evasion. Say your child says I would like to drink some sulphuric acid, do you let it?

[SusanDoris]

No evasion. The premise for your examples didn't apply. I don't like snakes, period, and the only acids i consume are the ones in food products. For whatever reason, I've never felt the need to consume e.g. hydrochloric or sulphuric acid.
How are you defining truths? Something that is factual and verifiable by anyone, such as a claim that Theresa May is the Prime Minister?

since you are into the answer a question with a question routine, I'll ask you what you think is a scientific truth.


As is often said on these boards, science never says it can 100% prove anything, but the Theories they  have, for instance that the earth goes round the sun, are as near 100% as possible while remaining open to challenges and improved information.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Scientific discoveries  can usually be verified, unlike religion.

When are you going to verify your scientism Floo?

[floo]

You verify your faith!

[SwordOfTheSpirit]

Say your child says I would like to drink some sulphuric acid, do you let it?

No.

[Nearly Sane]

No.

And why is that?