Author Topic: Russian ambassador assassinated (Read 7803 times)

Nearly Sane · « **on:** December 19, 2016, 06:32:47 PM »

Shocking

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38369962

Hope · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2016, 09:45:51 PM »

Add to that the suspected intentional running down of people in Berlin and the on-going crises in Aleppo and Yeman, and today has been a sad day for humanity.

wigginhall · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2016, 09:58:41 PM »

This stuff spirals out of control. The trouble with proxy wars is that the proxies get backlashes all over the place.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2016, 08:36:31 AM »

I was in Berlin a few weeks ago, and stayed across the road from where this happened. This does not feel like the best of times.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38375555

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2016, 08:43:10 AM »

Before I read the article, my reaction to the title 'Europe is no longer safe' was wondering if of ever had been. Even within thw very narrow timescale the article refers to we have had the break up and aftermath of Yugoslavia.

http://blog.politics.ox.ac.uk/europe-is-no-longer-safe/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OxPol+%28OxPol%29

Aruntraveller · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2016, 09:38:04 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 08:43:10 AM

Before I read the article, my reaction to the title 'Europe is no longer safe' was wondering if of ever had been. Even within thw very narrow timescale the article refers to we have had the break up and aftermath of Yugoslavia.

http://blog.politics.ox.ac.uk/europe-is-no-longer-safe/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OxPol+%28OxPol%29

It is interesting this emphasis put on 'safe places'. I'm guessing that nowhere has been that safe throughout history. It is our propensity to view our lives through rose-tinted glasses that lends some kind of validity to this idea of safety. Victorian London for example, for the most part is now portrayed as a snowy, Dickensian wonderworld aglow with rosy-cheeked residents and illuminating candles when in actuality most of us know deep down that it was pretty terrible place full of ne'er do wells and suffering from appalling living conditions - our ability to romanticize and sanitize our past is pretty incredible.

Whether it be natural disasters or self-inflicted by humans, tragedy never seems that far away. But, and this is the important thing to remember the statistical probability of being involved in anything of this type is astonishingly low. We now have instant and 24 hour media dedicated to spreading the news as widely as possible, is it any wonder we feel threatened and at risk almost constantly.

Perspective, now more than ever is needed. Whether we achieve that is up to us.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #6 on:** December 20, 2016, 09:48:16 AM »

Indeed Trentvoyager, I note that the tragedy in Berlin has already been blamed on Merkel by Farage, by which 'logic' he can be blamed for Jo Cox murder. It's too easy with the glut of information and misinformation to seek simple causes and simple solutions.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2016, 09:58:30 AM »

Well it's bloody obvious that if you're going to let these people into your country you're going to get their terrorists aswell. Solution: don't let them in in the first place. Rather simple.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:04:53 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 09:58:30 AM

Well it's bloody obvious that if you're going to let these people into your country you're going to get their terrorists aswell. Solution: don't let them in in the first place. Rather simple.

'These people'?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:29:42 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 10:04:53 AM

'These people'?

You know: these so-called refugees we've been letting into Europe in their hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:31:26 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 10:29:42 AM

You know: these so-called refugees we've been letting into Europe in their hundreds of thousands if not millions.

'so called' so there are no refugees?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:36:08 AM »

Most of them are men of fighting age. Why are they not fighting, defending their homes and freedom? Most of them are fake.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:36:52 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 10:36:08 AM

Most of them are men of fighting age. Why are they not fighting, defending their homes and freedom? Most of them are fake.

assertion backed up with a call to kill people.

ad_orientem · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:40:23 AM »

Eh? Why are they not fighting? They come here instead, sexually assault women and commit terrorist acts in their idleness.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:43:10 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 10:40:23 AM

Eh? Why are they not fighting? They come here instead, sexually assault women and commit terrorist acts in their idleness.

and now a lazy generalisation. Who do you fight against or for in Syria? Why as a Christian are you so keen on war?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:53:41 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 10:43:10 AM

and now a lazy generalisation. Who do you fight against or for in Syria? Why as a Christian are you so keen on war?

I'm not keen on war but why should Europe pay the price for US warmongery? Yes, this is the fault of the US. It went to war in the Middle-East destabilising the whole region. Now there is ISIS. Why aren't they fighting against them? Send them to America. Europe doesn't want or need them.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:57:05 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 10:53:41 AM

I'm not keen on war but why should Europe pay the price for US warmongery? Yes, this is the fault of the US. It went to war in the Middle-East destabilising the whole region. Now there is ISIS. Why aren't they fighting against them? Send them to America. Europe doesn't want or need them.

who should they fight for? Assad?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2016, 10:58:51 AM »

I see Farage has doubled down on his comment and instead if responding to the issue of the 'logic' of his position as pointed out by Brendan Cox, responded with an ad hominem.

http://tinyurl.com/jc9frot

ad_orientem · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:01:27 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 10:57:05 AM

who should they fight for? Assad?

Yes.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #19 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:02:36 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 11:01:27 AM

Yes.

ah fighting for a murderous dictator. Remind me inwhich bit of the Gospels, Jesus says that's the thing to do?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:05:51 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 11:02:36 AM

ah fighting for a murderous dictator. Remind me inwhich bit of the Gospels, Jesus says that's the thing to do?

Did Syrians live in peace under Assad, even if he is a bastard?

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:07:42 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 11:05:51 AM

Did Syrians live in peace under Assad, even if he is a bastard?

not the ones he killed. Got anything from Jesus yet on fight for murdering dictators?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:15:59 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 11:07:42 AM

not the ones he killed. Got anything from Jesus yet on fight for murdering dictators?

One doesn't have to justify Assad's bad deeds to acknowledge that Syrians, nearly all, lived in peace under him. Infinitely preferable to the status quo. As for Jesus, he never admonished the centurian for being a soldier.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:28:30 AM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on December 20, 2016, 11:15:59 AM

One doesn't have to justify Assad's bad deeds to acknowledge that Syrians, nearly all, lived in peace under him. Infinitely preferable to the status quo. As for Jesus, he never admonished the centurian for being a soldier.

so as long as it's just a few people murdered that's OK. Just keep your head down and if someone kills the guy next door, don't rock the boat. Any centurion killing a few Jewish people was a OK with Jesus,just another way of showing love for other people

ad_orientem · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2016, 11:33:15 AM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2016, 11:28:30 AM

so as long as it's just a few people murdered that's OK. Just keep your head down and if someone kills the guy next door, don't rock the boat. Any centurion killing a few Jewish people was a OK with Jesus,just another way of showing love for other people

Maybe you'll advocate the fall of the UK state next time MI6 knocks someone off.

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