Christian 'Mythology'.

[Maeght]

I suppose the point you are missing and I'm not expressing very clearly is that atheism is a belief system.

A lack of belief in God or gods is not a belief system. If someone asserted that there definetly is no God then that is a belief system requiring evidence and proof. If you are defining atheism as the latter then you are right but mostly these days the former definition applies and you are therefore wrong.

The same as all myths are built around belief systems. You have no absolute proof for yours

What do you think these beliefs are exactly?

whereas I have a teacher who explained it all...a book that explains it all....a congregation that is held together by it all...a science that supports it all...a knowledge that advanced people have been visiting this planet and interacting with people since the year dot...some friendly and some, it seems,  hostile.

Thankfully, Almighty God has total authority over the lot but he has a requirement that we don't besmirch things we don't understand especially when an insight into his righteous teaching is only a book away.

Delete science, delete knowledge and then its an expression ofyour beliefs - which is fine, so long as you don't claim any of it as fact.

[torridon]

It doesn't matter how you duck and dive torridon, atheism...is a belief system and is so important to its adherents that they right books...put slogans on buses and are determined to  add even more nails to the resurrected body of our savior. Now you might wrap that up into a casual disbelief in a Deity but it is something else entirely. It is bordering on a religion to damn and condemn all other religions...because it suspects there is no God. But you are wrong and if you are wrong your entire religion is wrong.

Nah, still wrong Nick.  Just because people get passionate about it does not define it as a belief system.  Scientists argue heatedly about string theory, but that doesn't make it a belief system. A belief system would normally contain a set of tenets of positive belief; there are nonesuch in atheism, which is just a position on atheism, usually that there is no evidence for it and it doesn't stack up logically.

[Anchorman]

including yourself......

Yep!!

[NicholasMarks]

A lack of belief in God or gods is not a belief system. If someone asserted that there definetly is no God then that is a belief system requiring evidence and proof. If you are defining atheism as the latter then you are right but mostly these days the former definition applies and you are therefore wrong.

What do you think these beliefs are exactly?

Delete science, delete knowledge and then its an expression ofyour beliefs - which is fine, so long as you don't claim any of it as fact.

You do juggle with the English language Maeght. No one can deny the Holy Bible exists and the Gospels the driving force behind much good. That goodness only turns to badness when iniquity gets involved and I shouldn't have to point out the many ways that iniquity tries to influence the word of Jesus and Almighty God.

I can't delete science or my beliefs because they are all tied in with the Holy Bible. It amazes me that you torridon or anyone else for that matter cant see that beneath and within every atom is a powerful force that requires special laws to understand it fully and that the Holy Bible is an introduction into those laws from the perspective of the human being first...but you all seem quite happy to embrace war, distress, starvation and countless other problems as an essential part of life...still...not for much longer....not for the righteous adherents anyway.

[Maeght]

You do juggle with the English language Maeght.

Pot, kettle, black!

No one can deny the Holy Bible exists ..

Who has denied that?

and the Gospels the driving force behind much good.T hat goodness only turns to badness when iniquity gets involved and I shouldn't have to point out the many ways that iniquity tries to influence the word of Jesus and Almighty God.

Some would question that - but I re no relvance to this thread.

I can't delete science or my beliefs because they are all tied in with the Holy Bible.

Which has nothing to do with science.

It amazes me that you torridon or anyone else for that matter cant see that beneath and within every atom is a powerful force that requires special laws to understand it fully and that the Holy Bible is an introduction into those laws from the perspective of the human being first...

Clearly.

but you all seem quite happy to embrace war, distress, starvation and countless other problems as an essential part of life...still...not for much longer....not for the righteous adherents anyway.

Insulting nonsense. Why on earth do you think people who don't share you unusal beliefs embrace war, distress, starvation etc? They are part of life but are things which we should all strive to erradicate - and to think that does not require a belief in aliens visiting thsi planet in the guise of Jesus or God or whatever it is you believe.

[NicholasMarks]

Pot, kettle, black!

Who has denied that?

Some would question that - but I re no relvance to this thread.

Which has nothing to do with science.

Clearly.

Insulting nonsense. Why on earth do you think people who don't share you unusal beliefs embrace war, distress, starvation etc? They are part of life but are things which we should all strive to erradicate - and to think that does not require a belief in aliens visiting thsi planet in the guise of Jesus or God or whatever it is you believe.

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

After many acts of nation building...which incidentally...he built a nation that still exists today...he introduced righteousness via Jesus Christ...a stepping stone towards word peace and harmony for those who value righteousness. A package over 10,000 years in the making, so far, all the product of a people...not of this world. The evidence of people not of this world is all around us today...but you can dismiss it if you want and there advanced technology which is also apparent, with your worldly governments trying to imitate their skills.

Now...these people have warned us of an impending danger...a Judgement...because these universal people know how to withstand the impact that is looming and I'm sorry to have to tell you, it all hinges upon the teaching of one of their number...their God's son...who, incidentally is our savior and co-owner of the entire universe under the direct authority of his father...take it or leave it.

[floo]

I think NM would be really disappointed if his end times prophecies don't materialise in his life time.

[Brownie]

If someone can be disappointed when they're dead  ! 

What a thought, I would hope all negative emotions are gone when we die.  What matters now will no longer matter.   

Peace.

[Sebastian Toe]

It doesn't matter how you duck and dive torridon, atheism...is a belief system and is so important to its adherents that they right books...put slogans on buses and are determined to  add even more nails to the resurrected body of our savior. Now you might wrap that up into a casual disbelief in a Deity but it is something else entirely. It is bordering on a religion to damn and condemn all other religions...because it suspects there is no God. But you are wrong and if you are wrong your entire religion is wrong.

It doesn't matter if you twist and turn and dodge and slide Nick. It isn't a belief system.
If it was then your abuddism and your ajaneism and your ascientism etc are all belief systems. Are they?

[floo]

If someone can be disappointed when they're dead  ! 

What a thought, I would hope all negative emotions are gone when we die.  What matters now will no longer matter.   

Peace.

Ah but according to NM he is going skywards, and will be looking down on those awful people who don't see it his way!

[Dicky Underpants]

Atheism is in the eye of the beholder torridon and its high priest makes it clear Christianity is taboo

Seb Toe asked you this question earlier: who the devil is the 'high priest' of atheism? Have you answered this yet? You need to know that people arrive at atheism from innumerable different routes, and few just kow-tow to the thoughts of one single individual - whoever this mysterious entity is supposed to be. Personal philosophies also result from general life-experience, not just reading.

[Dicky Underpants]

You do juggle with the English language Maeght.

Irony of all fucking ironies 

[Dicky Underpants]

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

And that is not in any Bible on the face of the planet! You seem totally ignorant of the book you keep paying lip-service to. Either that, or you are the liar of all liars.
Who was the "Father of the Lie"? Remind me.....

[NicholasMarks]

Seb Toe asked you this question earlier: who the devil is the 'high priest' of atheism? Have you answered this yet? You need to know that people arrive at atheism from innumerable different routes, and few just kow-tow to the thoughts of one single individual - whoever this mysterious entity is supposed to be. Personal philosophies also result from general life-experience, not just reading.

You are all antiChrist so that should give you a clue and you know who he works for don't you...or at least you should.

[NicholasMarks]

Nah, still wrong Nick.  Just because people get passionate about it does not define it as a belief system.  Scientists argue heatedly about string theory, but that doesn't make it a belief system. A belief system would normally contain a set of tenets of positive belief; there are nonesuch in atheism, which is just a position on atheism, usually that there is no evidence for it and it doesn't stack up logically.

Your right on string theory anyway, torridon. The universe is the result of an invisible, superabundant, electric/spiritual energy that has always been and always will be. It is the fore runner of every science because every science stems from the fact that when huge, galaxy size clouds of of this material are travelling at the speed of the expanding universe and someone makes a hole in the centre, whether tiny or huge, an imploding force sucks all surrounding energy into that hole which acts as a magnetic portal into the static state that lies beneath and which isn't moving at all. Now the Holy Bible taught me this because I picked up on all the clues...There is no need for you to concern yourself about this though if you aren't going to repent...

...your choice.



   

[NicholasMarks]

And that is not in any Bible on the face of the planet! You seem totally ignorant of the book you keep paying lip-service to. Either that, or you are the liar of all liars.
Who was the "Father of the Lie"? Remind me.....

Sadly Dicky...you are wrong on all points. Try Genesis, there you will find exactly what is written above, 'The Earth was void and darkness was on the face of the watery deep'....and including the bit which says seed, already in the earth, gave forth its life.

Now...does that make me the liar or the one calling me a liar the liar...It doesn't bother me too much I get a lot of satisfaction just by supporting and applauding my God and my savior.

[floo]

NM plays, 'haven't a clue DOH!', with the Bible!

[Maeght]

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

No it doesn't . You have interpretted it to fit what you see as modern science. People have done the same with Nostradamus - if you look hard enough you can find anything you want in it.

After many acts of nation building...which incidentally...he built a nation that still exists today...he introduced righteousness via Jesus Christ...a stepping stone towards word peace and harmony for those who value righteousness. A package over 10,000 years in the making, so far, all the product of a people...not of this world.

What has that got to do with anything I wrote?

The evidence of people not of this world is all around us today...but you can dismiss it if you want and there advanced technology which is also apparent, with your worldly governments trying to imitate their skills.

As I say, if you are looking hard enough for something you will always find it - I see no evidence of aliens living amongst us nor any alien technology. You clearly do, but this is because of your unusual beliefs in my view.

Now...these people have warned us of an impending danger...a Judgement...because these universal people know how to withstand the impact that is looming and I'm sorry to have to tell you, it all hinges upon the teaching of one of their number...their God's son...who, incidentally is our savior and co-owner of the entire universe under the direct authority of his father...take it or leave it.

I'm sure you belive that but I don't. Now, how about addressing your insulting nonsense about people embracing war etc?

[torridon]

The universe is the result of an invisible, superabundant, electric/spiritual energy that has always been and always will be. It is the fore runner of every science because every science stems from the fact that when huge, galaxy size clouds of of this material are travelling at the speed of the expanding universe and someone makes a hole in the centre, whether tiny or huge, an imploding force sucks all surrounding energy into that hole which acts as a magnetic portal into the static state that lies beneath and which isn't moving at all. Now the Holy Bible taught me this because I picked up on all the clues...   

Classic Sparkler  .  You ought to patent this stuff.

[ippy]

Unfortunately Christianity has been played round with and distorted by many different people and with many different motives but the 'word' remains intact...it just needs exploring accurately...as Jesus himself taught it...all other aspects of it are mythology.

Every organised group of people adopt some mythology because it appeals to a hidden nature of existence and tyrants and false teachers have been only too willing to take control of this vital inner urge and now there is another philosophy called atheism which needs to destroy all other myths for their own. But it is here accurate faith takes the lead. It incorporates this inner desire to find answers to the unknown by supplying those answers even though it is way above our understanding...but not to worry...it will all come out in the wash when accurate teaching is divorced from the myths by virtue of what could be described as another 'big-bang'.

Distorted by people like your superabundent electrical self Nick.

I note you don't understand what atheism is, surly you're not that thick Nick?

ippy

[Anchorman]

Sadly Dicky...you are wrong on all points. Try Genesis, there you will find exactly what is written above, 'The Earth was void and darkness was on the face of the watery deep'....and including the bit which says seed, already in the earth, gave forth its life.

Now...does that make me the liar or the one calling me a liar the liar...It doesn't bother me too much I get a lot of satisfaction just by supporting and applauding my God and my savior.

So you're a YEC, then?

[Maeght]

'The Earth was void and darkness was on the face of the watery deep'....and including the bit which says seed, already in the earth, gave forth its life.

Where does it say the seed was already in the earth?

[SqueakyVoice]

So you're a YEC, then?

The closest anyone can get to what Sparky believes is that his god was living on another planet when he discovered some universal secret-y thing and the rest of the inhabitants of said planet kicked him off, because science.

Said god wandered around the universe until he found planet Earth. At this point, the Earth had evolved its own life but it had all died out completely, because dinosaurs.

God decided to bring life back to this dead Earth and used the dead animals and plants and that and made living things, because electricity.

At that point his god thought some of the monkeys he'd created/ recreated could be made to worship him, so he co-opted an itinerant jewish preacher to spread the word, and the word was, no wanking.

Because the monkeys did keep wanking, this god decided he'd throw the planet out of its orbit which will kill the monkeys and stop the wanking, and this will definitely happen soon.

[Anchorman]

Well. Maeght, the Holy Bible contradicts you. Almighty God makes it clear that in the first instance this planet was void...insignificant...it had born life previously but it had ceased to function and darkness was on the face of the watery deep.

After many acts of nation building...which incidentally...he built a nation that still exists today...he introduced righteousness via Jesus Christ...a stepping stone towards word peace and harmony for those who value righteousness. A package over 10,000 years in the making, so far, all the product of a people...not of this world. The evidence of people not of this world is all around us today...but you can dismiss it if you want and there advanced technology which is also apparent, with your worldly governments trying to imitate their skills.

Now...these people have warned us of an impending danger...a Judgement...because these universal people know how to withstand the impact that is looming and I'm sorry to have to tell you, it all hinges upon the teaching of one of their number...their God's son...who, incidentally is our savior and co-owner of the entire universe under the direct authority of his father...take it or leave it.

Anyone got a paracetamol?

[floo]

Anyone got a paracetamol?

Oh you poor love I will send you some, the above is enough to give anyone a bad headache!