Christian 'Mythology'.

[NicholasMarks]

Where does it say the seed was already in the earth?

Genesis 1:11 Maeght. It becomes clearer when you read the progression of the planet's  restoration.

Water was already on the planet from the beginning but had congregated on the side facing away from the sun...the dark side...so all the resources for life were already on the planet...it just needed a little spin on its own axis to set it all back in motion as a life supporting planet again. That spin created the first day and the first night. We then see that the water is flooding the Earth whilst evaporating into the atmosphere...then receding bringing a planet of land, sea, atmosphere, and climate comparative with how things are today...and then seed already in the earth gave forth its life...with me so far...because we've only got six days to do it all in.

This indicates that the planet had previously supported life but had gone into a tidal lock...and all previous life had been lost.



 

[torridon]

Genesis 1:11 Maeght. It becomes clearer when you read the progression of the planet's  restoration.

Water was already on the planet from the beginning but had congregated on the side facing away from the sun...the dark side...so all the resources for life were already on the planet...it just needed a little spin on its own axis to set it all back in motion as a life supporting planet again. That spin created the first day and the first night. We then see that the water is flooding the Earth whilst evaporating into the atmosphere...then receding bringing a planet of land, sea, atmosphere, and climate comparative with how things are today...and then seed already in the earth gave forth its life...with me so far...because we've only got six days to do it all in.

This indicates that the planet had previously supported life but had gone into a tidal lock...and all previous life had been lost.

Tidal lock refers to the orbital dynamics of the Earth Moon system;  it means that a lunar day is the same length as the Moon's rotational orbit around the Earth.  It doesn't mean that the Earth stopped spinning; the tidal locking of the Moon would not be a probable cause for a mass extinction event, the majority of life on Earth would continue on as before.  The main impact of this is for the Moon rather than the Earth. As far as Earth is concerned, it means we always see the same face of the Moon whenever we look up at the night sky.  On the Moon however, you would either see Earth as a constant presence in the sky, or you would never ever see Earth, depending which side of the Moon you are on.  I think I have explained for you this before, please try to keep up.

If this planet had previously supported life, what can you tell us about it - where it originated from etc

[NicholasMarks]

Tidal lock refers to the orbital dynamics of the Earth Moon system;  it means that a lunar day is the same length as the Moon's rotational orbit around the Earth.  It doesn't mean that the Earth stopped spinning; the tidal locking of the Moon would not be a probable cause for a mass extinction event, the majority of life on Earth would continue on as before.  The main impact of this is for the Moon rather than the Earth. As far as Earth is concerned, it means we always see the same face of the Moon whenever we look up at the night sky.  On the Moon however, you would either see Earth as a constant presence in the sky, or you would never ever see Earth, depending which side of the Moon you are on.  I think I have explained for you this before, please try to keep up.

If this planet had previously supported life, what can you tell us about it - where it originated from etc

You must learn to read between the lines torridon. Going into tidal lock means  a huge cataclysmic event...possibly the one that wiped out the dinosaurs...and possibly the same event fast approaching us now. It is likely that Almighty God already knew it would happen and like the many reports of alien activity around us today, was already on the case, watching from a safe distance  when it happened...with his agents reporting straight back to him as soon as it was safe to do so.

A tidal lock isn't just talking about the state of the moon in its relationship with the Earth. Some planets are tidally locked to the sun. It's one of those strange things that happen sometimes...and fits in perfectly with the opening verses in Genesis. I could be wrong...but my explanation brings God's version back into the picture because if I can make Genesis work then Almighty God certainly can.

It seems that outside the specific 'special creation' that God used here on planet Earth there is an evolution process which the fossils give evidence to...and it is clear to me that we were designed meeting the arts and crafts of evolution because we are universal beings that have to be best suited to our environment...which...as I have explained elsewhere...is electrical/spiritual in nature.

Jesus Christ knew what he was talking about and salvation can only be achieved via his father's laws of righteousness.

 

[floo]

'arts and crafts of evolution' that is a new one!

[Maeght]

Genesis 1:11 Maeght. It becomes clearer when you read the progression of the planet's  restoration.

Water was already on the planet from the beginning but had congregated on the side facing away from the sun...the dark side...so all the resources for life were already on the planet...it just needed a little spin on its own axis to set it all back in motion as a life supporting planet again. That spin created the first day and the first night. We then see that the water is flooding the Earth whilst evaporating into the atmosphere...then receding bringing a planet of land, sea, atmosphere, and climate comparative with how things are today...and then seed already in the earth gave forth its life...with me so far...because we've only got six days to do it all in.

This indicates that the planet had previously supported life but had gone into a tidal lock...and all previous life had been lost.

That is your interpretation - not shared by others, which is why I asked where it says the seed was already in the earth. You haven't shown where it actually says that, only your interpretation.

[floo]

I wonder if NM ever questions what he believes to be true, when not even other Christians support his views?

[SqueakyVoice]

'arts and crafts of evolution' that is a new one!

Oh come now, Floo. Even you can't seriously believe that knitting happened by chance...?

[floo]

Oh come now, Floo. Even you can't seriously believe that knitting happened by chance...?

Of course not, humans the real gods, invented it!

[ippy]

You must learn to read between the lines torridon. Going into tidal lock means  a huge cataclysmic event...possibly the one that wiped out the dinosaurs...and possibly the same event fast approaching us now. It is likely that Almighty God already knew it would happen and like the many reports of alien activity around us today, was already on the case, watching from a safe distance  when it happened...with his agents reporting straight back to him as soon as it was safe to do so.

A tidal lock isn't just talking about the state of the moon in its relationship with the Earth. Some planets are tidally locked to the sun. It's one of those strange things that happen sometimes...and fits in perfectly with the opening verses in Genesis. I could be wrong...but my explanation brings God's version back into the picture because if I can make Genesis work then Almighty God certainly a

It seems that outside the specific 'special creation' that God used here on planet Earth there is an evolution process which the fossils give evidence to...and it is clear to me that we were designed meeting the arts and crafts of evolution because we are universal beings that have to be best suited to our environment...which...as I have explained elsewhere...is electrical/spiritual in nature.

Jesus Christ knew what he was talking about and salvation can only be achieved via his father's laws of righteousness.

The more of your posts I have the misfortune to read, convinces me you need to go and see somebody.

I note you still can't understand exactly what atheism is even after it has been described to you by so many that post here on the forum.

It'd be a start if you actually answered the questions people ask of you, all of your answers amout to nothing more than worthless unintelligble ravings, you obviously haven't got a clue how to give anyone a straight answer no matter what the subject.

ippy

[Dicky Underpants]

Sadly Dicky...you are wrong on all points. Try Genesis, there you will find exactly what is written above, 'The Earth was void and darkness was on the face of the watery deep'....and including the bit which says seed, already in the earth, gave forth its life.

Now...does that make me the liar or the one calling me a liar the liar...It doesn't bother me too much I get a lot of satisfaction just by supporting and applauding my God and my savior.

I think I see where your confusion lies: you're confusing the account of creation of Genesis 1 with the account of Genesis 2, which are two different accounts, from different sources. I'm going to try a bit of scholarship on you here (it will certainly fall on deaf ears ) These two accounts are known as the Priestly Narrative and the Yahwist Narrative. Genesis 1:11 clearly says that God directly created plant-life on earth. There is no mention of the planet having sustained life before.
Whereas Genesis 2:5 says that no plants were sprouting "because God had not made it rain upon the earth". This is clearly a more primitive narrative than the account in the first chapter. Even so, there is still no mention of the earth having sustained life before it was "without form and void" - that's all your invention. And as for "tidal lock" - the real significance of this has been explained to you by Torridon. I doubt whether anyone is going to accept your explanation.

Anyway - are you a liar or not? Well, you clearly proclaim things about the Bible which aren't there in the text, and then go on to say "it's all in the Bible". I think most people would preface their speculations with something like "I think this might mean that..." rather than saying it's all there in the text. But if it keeps you happy...

[NicholasMarks]

I think I see where your confusion lies: you're confusing the account of creation of Genesis 1 with the account of Genesis 2, which are two different accounts, from different sources. I'm going to try a bit of scholarship on you here (it will certainly fall on deaf ears ) These two accounts are known as the Priestly Narrative and the Yahwist Narrative. Genesis 1:11 clearly says that God directly created plant-life on earth. There is no mention of the planet having sustained life before.
Whereas Genesis 2:5 says that no plants were sprouting "because God had not made it rain upon the earth". This is clearly a more primitive narrative than the account in the first chapter. Even so, there is still no mention of the earth having sustained life before it was "without form and void" - that's all your invention. And as for "tidal lock" - the real significance of this has been explained to you by Torridon. I doubt whether anyone is going to accept your explanation.

Anyway - are you a liar or not? Well, you clearly proclaim things about the Bible which aren't there in the text, and then go on to say "it's all in the Bible". I think most people would preface their speculations with something like "I think this might mean that..." rather than saying it's all there in the text. But if it keeps you happy...

Thank you Dicky for your well thought response...beats your previous response hands down.

When we read the Holy Bible we must start on the premise that it is absolutely true and if there is conflict between God and science there has to be a compromise whereby science must bend a little.

You are confusing your perception of what is written with the reading that makes sense both scientifically and Biblically...This is where I am coming from.

The first principle of God's teaching is that everything is made from God's spiritual waters. Every science, every atom, every ounce of righteous truth every one of those, One True Gods..of which there is only one. Now if God is a spirit and we are the product of the same spiritual laws, because all things are...then Jesus is someone very special because he, and only he, as the highest righteous agent under God, knows what he is talking about, and if a world of peace, harmony, health, resurrection, and everlasting life appeals...you know what to do.

Now...I still claim that the passage of events as is written in Genesis and as science dictates it must have, is the only way it could have happened within the confines of electric/spiritual laws...then its a good chance that is how it did happen...and the Holy Bible does indicate this quite strongly...but forgive me if I don't make it too clear.

Almighty God is the electric/spiritual figurehead of all that material that created the universe for which he speaks and over which he has all authority...and we've just got to get used to the idea else use to the idea of sunbathing on Wormwood for the rest of eternity.



 

[torridon]

You must learn to read between the lines torridon. Going into tidal lock means  a huge cataclysmic event...possibly the one that wiped out the dinosaurs...and possibly the same event fast approaching us now. It is likely that Almighty God already knew it would happen and like the many reports of alien activity around us today, was already on the case, watching from a safe distance  when it happened...with his agents reporting straight back to him as soon as it was safe to do so.

I see you fail to differentiate between 'reading between the lines' and just being plain wrong.  You are just plain wrong, as usual, and you are only compounding your evident misunderstanding with 'Going into tidal lock means a huge cataclysmic event' which is also clearly just plain wrong.  Going into tidal lock is not a sudden cataclysmic event, it is something that happens gradually over a period of hundreds of millions of years.

[Brownie]

'arts and crafts of evolution' that is a new one!

William Morris-type Christmas cards feature, floo.

[torridon]

When we read the Holy Bible we must start on the premise that it is absolutely true and if there is conflict between God and science there has to be a compromise whereby science must bend a little.

Clearly this is not the policy of anyone interested in getting to the truth of any matter. A far superior policy would be to not take anything as truth but to investigate through testing and gain confidence slowly.  Science starts out from the assumption that pretty much everything we think is correct, probably is not actually correct.  This is a position of humility from which base we can grow and learn.  Certainties are the enemy of anyone who would seek real knowledge, as is faith.

[Sebastian Toe]

This indicates that the planet had previously supported life but had gone into a tidal lock...and all previous life had been lost.

How did that life get there?

[NicholasMarks]

I see you fail to differentiate between 'reading between the lines' and just being plain wrong.  You are just plain wrong, as usual, and you are only compounding your evident misunderstanding with 'Going into tidal lock means a huge cataclysmic event' which is also clearly just plain wrong.  Going into tidal lock is not a sudden cataclysmic event, it is something that happens gradually over a period of hundreds of millions of years.

When reading points of evidence we have to interpret how a planet that is supporting life and presumably working very similar to how it does today came to be tidally locked. It implies a cataclysmic event. This is supported by what is now approaching and is already causing great concern for many people because its passing could have a similar impact.

But if you don't believe in Jesus there is no need to get concerned because nothing can prevent it. Following Jesus and his righteousness will then become our only hope...but poor preparation wont help.

 

[NicholasMarks]

How did that life get there?

Its such a long and difficult story that I'm not sure it's worth the aggro Seb. Just accept that a few trillion, trillion part atoms were spewed out of our sun in the early stages of its existence and came to Earth piggy backed upon hydrogen atoms which they themselves would have become if they hadn't been prematurely ripped from their anchorage within the sun. They developed a peculiar electrical method of coming together in pairs dragging atoms from their own environments with them and reaching out for electrical needs did the rest...but, of course, its much more involved than this.

[Sebastian Toe]

Its such a long and difficult story that I'm not sure it's worth the aggro Seb. Just accept that a few trillion, trillion part atoms were spewed out of our sun in the early stages of its existence and came to Earth piggy backed upon hydrogen atoms which they themselves would have become if they hadn't been prematurely ripped from their anchorage within the sun. They developed a peculiar electrical method of coming together in pairs dragging atoms from their own environments with them and reaching out for electrical needs did the rest...but, of course, its much more involved than this.

Carry on. I'm listening.

[Sebastian Toe]

When reading points of evidence we have to interpret how a planet that is supporting life and presumably working very similar to how it does today came to be tidally locked. It implies a cataclysmic event.

No it doesn't.  If you accurately knew how tidal locking actually occurs then you would know that it implies the opposite. But then Nick, accuracy  has never been your area of expertise has it?

[Brownie]

The closest anyone can get to what Sparky believes is that his god was living on another planet when he discovered some universal secret-y thing and the rest of the inhabitants of said planet kicked him off, because science.

Said god wandered around the universe until he found planet Earth. At this point, the Earth had evolved its own life but it had all died out completely, because dinosaurs.

God decided to bring life back to this dead Earth and used the dead animals and plants and that and made living things, because electricity.

At that point his god thought some of the monkeys he'd created/ recreated could be made to worship him, so he co-opted an itinerant jewish preacher to spread the word, and the word was, no wanking.

Because the monkeys did keep wanking, this god decided he'd throw the planet out of its orbit which will kill the monkeys and stop the wanking, and this will definitely happen soon.

Quite concise, Squeaky, thank you.  I couldn't have put it better myself.

Just been reading about the Nephilim, who were immigrants.   Nephilim were clever and big and came from another planet to mine for gold on earth to replenish the minerals on their native planet.   
Not a lot of people know that.

Nibiru also known as Planet X will collide with earth either this month or next year.  All the signs are there for everyone to see.  As they were just prior to 2012 when the cataclysm was expected but didn't happen.

Not much we can do about it though posh rich people have drilled holes into mountains to make bunkers in order to survive.   They will form a world underground government.

We who are not posh and rich may survive if we are ready, if not we will perish.   Either way we cannot expect help from the P&R who are really shape changing lizards.

I will read another instalment in the morning.

(Oh it is morning, I mean later on in the morning.)

[SusanDoris]

I like your post, Brownie! Well, I've been asleep already, but as I'm awake now, I thought I'd see what's been happening here in the last few hours!

[Brownie]

I am still awake.  I'm ready and waiting for whatever happens.  Had some mulled wine.
Will go to bed shortly.

[2Corrie]

Have I fallen down Alice's rabbit hole...?

[floo]

When we read the Holy Bible we must start on the premise that it is absolutely true and if there is conflict between God and science there has to be a compromise whereby science must bend a little.


YE GODS, there is nonsense then there is NM's brand of nonsense, this one really takes the biscuit! One should NEVER believe anything to be absolutely true unless there is evidence to support it, especially where the Bible is concerned.

[Hope]

When we read the Holy Bible we must start on the premise that it is absolutely true and if there is conflict between God and science there has to be a compromise whereby science must bend a little.


YE GODS, there is nonsense then there is NM's brand of nonsense, this one really takes the biscuit!

But Floo, if God created the laws of nature it is in his purview to tweak them every now and then.

One should NEVER believe anything to be absolutely true unless there is evidence to support it, especially where the Bible is concerned.

Is there any reason why we should believe science to be any truer, Floo.  After all, the evidence to prove science is scientific research - a less than satisfactory combination of factors - even for the staunchest scientist.