Christian 'Mythology'.

[NicholasMarks]

You didn't show where it said that, which is why I asked again. You gave your interpretation. SO where does it actually say that?

11...And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12...And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13...And the evening and the morning were the third day.

You are right and I am wrong...I can't find the statement in the exact form that I thought it was...but that doesn't mean I am totally wrong because the above verse in Genesis indicates that the seed was recovered because the waters and the atmosphere was conducive to bringing the seed already in the earth back to life and it was all under the authority of Almighty God.

It is all contained within the chronological order of events and explains the fossils that pre-date the Special Creation...and we mustn't forget that the spiritual/electric laws that made it all possible are an expression of our wonderful Creator's mighty power...which is available today if we choose to listen to his son...Jesus Christ...accurately.

 

[floo]

More assertions, no substance!

[Maeght]

11...And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12...And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13...And the evening and the morning were the third day.

You are right and I am wrong...I can't find the statement in the exact form that I thought it was...

Good that you admit that.

...but that doesn't mean I am totally wrong because the above verse in Genesis indicates that the seed was recovered because the waters and the atmosphere was conducive to bringing the seed already in the earth back to life and it was all under the authority of Almighty God.

No it doesn't. You interpret it to mean that but others disagree. The most common interpretation is that this refers to fruits with seeds in them as I understand it.

It is all contained within the chronological order of events and explains the fossils that pre-date the Special Creation...

You are interpreting it to fit that though - don't you see that?

...and we mustn't forget that the spiritual/electric laws that made it all possible are an expression of our wonderful Creator's mighty power...which is available today if we choose to listen to his son...Jesus Christ...accurately.

It's really not a question of forgetting it its believing it - it is a belief not a fact. You do understand that don't you?

[NicholasMarks]

Good that you admit that.

No it doesn't. You interpret it to mean that but others disagree. The most common interpretation is that this refers to fruits with seeds in them as I understand it.

You are interpreting it to fit that though - don't you see that?

It's really not a question of forgetting it its believing it - it is a belief not a fact. You do understand that don't you?

It is indisputable to me, Maeght, because it answers many scientific points. It doesn't matter that  few can understand it...Almighty God teaches it so it's important to him and to those who choose to structure their lives around Jesus Christ's accurate word.

It's simple really...everything equates within these electric laws or as Jesus and Almighty God call them, spiritual, righteous laws. Jesus showed us many miracles which are supported by those righteous/spiritual laws whereby restoring health even from death featured strongly...walking on water was an important part and resurrection was also made known to us...all a product of these indestructible electric laws that Jesus taught us about from his very advanced scientific perspective.

Soon we will all get to know why this planet is wobbling and we will then know that unless we have listened to God's righteous word in the accurate way Jesus taught us and responded to it...well...its all in Revelation.

[Hope]

You are interpreting it to fit that though - don't you see that?

Are you sure that you and others like you don't do the same, Maeght - be that to do with the Bible, history, scientific findings, ...?

[Maeght]

Are you sure that you and others like you don't do the same, Maeght - be that to do with the Bible, history, scientific findings, ...?

Of course we all interpret things based on our own way of thinking. NM however has claimed that certain things were clearly written in the Bible and I am just challenging that claim.

[Maeght]

It is indisputable to me, Maeght, because it answers many scientific points. It doesn't matter that  few can understand it...Almighty God teaches it so it's important to him and to those who choose to structure their lives around Jesus Christ's accurate word.

It's simple really...everything equates within these electric laws or as Jesus and Almighty God call them, spiritual, righteous laws. Jesus showed us many miracles which are supported by those righteous/spiritual laws whereby restoring health even from death featured strongly...walking on water was an important part and resurrection was also made known to us...all a product of these indestructible electric laws that Jesus taught us about from his very advanced scientific perspective.

Soon we will all get to know why this planet is wobbling and we will then know that unless we have listened to God's righteous word in the accurate way Jesus taught us and responded to it...well...its all in Revelation.

Yes I know that is what you believe, and that's fine with me. As I said to Hope though you make claims that certain things are obvious or clearly written in th Bible when they aren't and then criticise people who don't see those things. If you just said that you interpret the Bible to be saying XYZ but know that others interpret it differntly then no problem.

Oh, and if you retracted your suggestion that those who don't interpet things as yu do embrace war etc that would be even better.

[trippymonkey]

M
Slight diversion BUT....
Would you believe there's STILL some out there that persist in thinking Islam is a peaceful religion that's been wildly misunderstood. And for ALL these centuries too !!!???  BOLLOX !!!!!

Groups like IS are only doing EXACTLY what their fake prophet did all those years ago !!! FACT !!!

Nick

[Dicky Underpants]

11...And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12...And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13...And the evening and the morning were the third day.

You are right and I am wrong...I can't find the statement in the exact form that I thought it was...
 

Well, that must be a first! NM admitting that he's wrong on something! This is quite significant, since the text in question is only the very first chapter of the Bible, on which so much of Nick's later speculations depend.
Nick - I ask you this: if we can't trust you to get the facts right about the very first book of Genesis, why should we trust you on anything else? Do you really think we should go on to trust you as an authority on science?

[Hope]

Of course we all interpret things based on our own way of thinking. NM however has claimed that certain things were clearly written in the Bible and I am just challenging that claim.

I appreciate that you are challenging the claim, but I've seen too many instances where the challenge is, in its own right, also based on a false reading/understanding of a passage. 

[Brownie]

Hope, the second twam link you posted above, about finding a collector, is not working.

[Hope]

Hope, the second twam link you posted above, about finding a collector, is not working.

Try this - http://www.twam.uk/donate-tools - and scroll to the bottom of the page.  I'll amend my signature - thanks

[Brownie]

Thank you Hope.

[Maeght]

I appreciate that you are challenging the claim, but I've seen too many instances where the challenge is, in its own right, also based on a false reading/understanding of a passage.

Not by me though I think.

[Hope]

Not by me though I think.

Well, in view of your disagreement with the Gospel records, you could be deemed to be doing so, Maeght.  However, I'm not one to disallow folk to have their own opinions.  I just try to challenge them on their opinions.

[Maeght]

Well, in view of your disagreement with the Gospel records, you could be deemed to be doing so, Maeght.  However, I'm not one to disallow folk to have their own opinions.  I just try to challenge them on their opinions.

I haven't put forward my own interpretation - only pointed out that, based on an internet search, most interpretations do not match NM's.

[Sassy]

Sass
MMM Christian mythology - we could start with your very own Jesus etc.

Jesus was not a myth. So why pretend to ignorant about things which are known to be true?

[floo]

Jesus was not a myth. So why pretend to ignorant about things which are known to be true?

Jesus might have existed, but what was attributed to him is likely to be a myth, and it certainly isn't KNOWN to be true.

[trippymonkey]

YES Floo This is what I'm saying.
Apart from Sass, is there ANYONE that believes, notice I said BELIEVES not KNOWS, that all's known of Jesus & that it's ALL literally true?

N

[Hope]

Jesus might have existed, but what was attributed to him is likely to be a myth, and it certainly isn't KNOWN to be true.

Unfortunately, Floo, you have never been able to show that the claims of the gospels are untrue: you've cast doubt on them, claimed that they are impossible from a human perspective, etc., but sadly there are a number of things that are impossible from a human perspective yet are still true.

[Hope]

Apart from Sass, is there ANYONE that believes, notice I said BELIEVES not KNOWS, that all's known of Jesus & that it's ALL literally true?

Not quite sure what you're asking in the latter half of this sentence - but I'm assuming you're asking whether there is anyone who believes everything that's known about Jesus.  OK, what is known about Jesus?  Some would say that we know that he lived as a person sometime around 4BC - 30AD - there seems to be a consensus amongst historians to that effect.  Some would say that he also died a pretty horrific deasth in about 30AD, crucified on a cross.  Again, there seems to be consensus on that.

Its at this point that things become muddied.  Did he rise from death?  There would seem to have been an understanding, supported by several hundred people's eyewitness accounts, that he did.  Some would claim that this was impossible, forgetting that this concept is would have been alien to the authors of the story and therefore not something easily simply created/imagined.  There are peple who claim that he traveeled to Kashmir with his wife and children having never actually died.

This very sketchy summary of what is 'known' about him can't be taken as a whole - there are contradictory outcomes.

Nick, could you therefore outline the things that you want people to confirm their belief in/disbelief of?  Ta.

[Shaker]

Unfortunately, Floo, you have never been able to show that the claims of the gospels are untrue ...

That pseudo-argument you're teetering on the brink of right there - I know a term for that ...

sadly there are a number of things that are impossible from a human perspective yet are still true.

Examples?

[floo]

Unfortunately, Floo, you have never been able to show that the claims of the gospels are untrue: you've cast doubt on them, claimed that they are impossible from a human perspective, etc., but sadly there are a number of things that are impossible from a human perspective yet are still true.

Unfortunately Hope you have never been able to show the claims of the gospels are true!

[Shaker]

Unfortunately Hope you have never been able to show the claims of the gospels are true!

... and since he's the one who claims that they are ...

But let's not be so foolish as to think that Hope is capable of grasping concepts such as the logical fallacy and the burden of proof and so forth.

[Hope]

... and since he's the one who claims that they are ...

But let's not be so foolish as to think that Hope is capable of grasping concepts such as the logical fallacy and the burden of proof and so forth.

Of course we mustn't assume that evidence that has been presented by several Christians here as to the validity of the Gospel records can ever be accepted, since that would require us to stop regarding natural law as the sole arbiter of reality.