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Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« on: December 25, 2016, 02:11:16 PM »

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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 06:39:28 PM »
Why a thread on this subject.  I thought that this attitude of Farage's was taken for granted.   ;)
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 04:29:26 AM »
Farage is such a prize prat, I'm sure he just says things off the top of his head for the sake of saying something.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 08:03:13 AM »
Farage is such a prize prat, I'm sure he just says things off the top of his head for the sake of saying something.

If I was being paid to write an article defending Nige I would argue that for Ukip/BNP the Anglican church is part of the establishment that they loathe so much. But as I am not  I shall agree with you instead.

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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 09:41:55 AM »
If I was being paid to write an article defending Nige I would argue that for Ukip/BNP the Anglican church is part of the establishment that they loathe so much.
Surely the CofE is the very part of the establishment that they support, in name at least, when they talk about British values and Britain's Christian roots?
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 11:07:34 AM »
Surely the CofE is the very part of the establishment that they support, in name at least, when they talk about British values and Britain's Christian roots?

There is no "British" church. If you want to see what Ukip/BNP are really like get onto today's Indy & read the responses to Brendan Cox's alternative Christmas Message.

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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 11:30:47 AM »
There is no "British" church. If you want to see what Ukip/BNP are really like get onto today's Indy & read the responses to Brendan Cox's alternative Christmas Message.
I am aware that there is no 'British' church, H, but whenever I've heard Griffin or Farage referring to their opposition to Islam, it has gone hand in hand with their 'support' of the Archbishop of Canterbury and/or the Anglican church in the UK.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 12:16:35 PM »
I am aware that there is no 'British' church, H, but whenever I've heard Griffin or Farage referring to their opposition to Islam, it has gone hand in hand with their 'support' of the Archbishop of Canterbury and/or the Anglican church in the UK.


Not this Archbish


http://news.sky.com/story/farage-on-carswell-i-dont-know-why-he-joined-10579532

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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 02:30:51 PM »
Farage talking about Christian values, is post-truth, post-fact, post bloody everything.  I suppose he means by Christian values slagging off Muslims and other brown people, and telling refugees to naff off.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 02:55:23 PM »
Farage is such a prize prat, I'm sure he just says things off the top of his head for the sake of saying something.

Even if he is everything you say he was still a major mover in getting Europe off of our backs.

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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 03:32:16 PM »
Surely the CofE is the very part of the establishment that they support, in name at least, when they talk about British values and Britain's Christian roots?







Since when was the CofE established in britain?
It might be in England, but not the more enlightened nations in the 'uk'
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 04:20:53 PM »
Since when was the CofE established in britain?
It might be in England, but not the more enlightened nations in the 'uk'
That's precisely the point, Jim.  Whenever Griffin spoke or Farage speaks about British values, they always seem to refer to the CofE, assuming, I s'pose, that it exists across the board.  They should be referring to the Anglican Church in the UK, but are so parochial that they don't realise that they are talking about England only, not the other nations in the UK.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 08:58:23 PM »
That's precisely the point, Jim.  Whenever Griffin spoke or Farage speaks about British values, they always seem to refer to the CofE, assuming, I s'pose, that it exists across the board.  They should be referring to the Anglican Church in the UK, but are so parochial that they don't realise that they are talking about England only, not the other nations in the UK.






Which is precisely why Farage is loathed in Scotland - except for the Orange Order, which see him as a bastion of loyalism.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 09:04:51 PM »

Not this Archbish


http://news.sky.com/story/farage-on-carswell-i-dont-know-why-he-joined-10579532

Interesting, when told he is responsible for an undercurrent of racism, Farage doesn't deny it, he criticises the accuser for not being on board with the racism.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2016, 09:52:37 PM »
Why Welby was entirely Orthodox - and Christian - in his remarks.....and Farage patently was not. https://coffeewithlouis.wordpress.com/2016/12/27/a-christmas-quarrel-by-nigel-farage/
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2016, 10:56:26 PM »
Good, Anchorman.

I expect this is old news to everyone else and there may even have been a thread about it, which I missed, but I only heard today what Farage said to Brendan Cox, widower of Jo Cox.

This from Guardian (5 days ago):

(NF saying) ...the widower of the murdered MP Jo Cox was tainted by extremism because he supported the organisation.

I read that he said to Cox, "You'd know more about extremism than I would".

Doesn't that just take the biscuit?
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2016, 09:23:40 AM »
Good, Anchorman.

I expect this is old news to everyone else and there may even have been a thread about it, which I missed, but I only heard today what Farage said to Brendan Cox, widower of Jo Cox.

This from Guardian (5 days ago):

(NF saying) ...the widower of the murdered MP Jo Cox was tainted by extremism because he supported the organisation.

I read that he said to Cox, "You'd know more about extremism than I would".

Doesn't that just take the biscuit?






Yep.
If the 'british' values Farage claims to worship are based on Christianity - as he claimed they were - he's not great cop at living up to them.
There was no hint of the Christ of the Bible in Farage's words or actions which would lead anyone to think his 'faith' is anything other than a belief in himself.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2016, 09:54:57 AM »
Why are people who disagree with someone like Brendan Cox always have to be far right or BNP.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2016, 10:14:01 AM »
Why are people who disagree with someone like Brendan Cox always have to be far right or BNP.

Not sure anyone has said that. If you could substantiate the assertion.......
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2016, 10:58:30 AM »
Not this particular thread, it just appears to be a thing on t'internet, twitter etc.

I have said it before, it is as if being on the right is a crime against humanity now, plus there is a tendency to miss out the right and make everyone far right
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2016, 11:06:27 AM »
I have said it before, it is as if being on the right is a crime against humanity now
Didn't know that that was news to anyone ;)
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2016, 11:15:27 AM »
Why are people who disagree with someone like Brendan Cox always have to be far right or BNP.

They don't JP, at least not as far as I can see.
There must be many who don't agree with most or some of what he promotes who are lefties, but have strong feelings or are conflicted about particular issues.

I think the reason why what Farage (is reported to have) said to Cox has been highlighted so negatively is because it was a thoughtless, rather stupid and, above all, insensitive remark to make to a recently bereaved widower.

Regardless of political persuasion, anyone can connect with Brendan Cox on a personal level - not forever but for a while yet.

Several things have happened over the past, fairly recent, years, in the lives of politicians and every time the general feeling is one of great sympathy, politics are set aside.  Thinking of two off hand, Gordon Brown's little daughter, Jennifer, was born prematurely and died within a few days;  David Cameron's much loved son, Ivan, died.   We can go back further and remember Norman Tebbitt's wife who was so disabled after the hotel bombing, and how Mr Tebbitt responded to his family crisis.  His right-wingedness was way in the background  at that time.

So I have no doubt there are left and middle 'wingers' who disagree with some of what Mr Cox says and he doesn't say that much for goodness sake, but are sensitive to his recent loss and put political opinions on the back burner.   

Farage was totally insensitive, if what is reported is true and it seems so.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2016, 05:07:24 PM »
Caring for people is a negative Christmas message according to Farage

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/25/ignore-archbishop-canterburys-negative-christmas-message-nigel/

Read the article where does Farage say "caring for people is negative"?
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2016, 05:14:12 PM »
Farage talking about Christian values, is post-truth, post-fact, post bloody everything.  I suppose he means by Christian values slagging off Muslims and other brown people, and telling refugees to naff off.


Wiggs talking about Politics is a list of catchphrases. I think Farage is a pretty weak politician who talks a lot of divisive rhetoric the way to deal with him is not to do the same.
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Re: Welby vs Farage - the rematch
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2016, 05:30:30 PM »
What's wrong with you lot Farage was being positive, Wilby was being miserable and negative. What is wrong with that?