Welby vs Farage - the rematch

[Nearly Sane]

Read the article where does Farage say "caring for people is negative"?

did I say he 'said' that. Welby's post asks people to care for others less fortunate, Farage calls it a negative message. If asking people to care for others is a negative message, then it follows that caring for people is a negative act.

[jakswan]

did I say he 'said' that. Welby's post asks people to care for others less fortunate, Farage calls it a negative message. If asking people to care for others is a negative message, then it follows that caring for people is a negative act.

It was the impression I took from your post, when I read the article you linked to it was Welby talking about uncertainty and Farage having a go about that.

[Nearly Sane]

It was the impression I took from your post, when I read the article you linked to it was Welby talking about uncertainty and Farage having a go about that.

Welby is talking about caring for people in uncertainty, Farage thinks tgat's negative. It's factual that there are people homeless etc so Farage thinks asking people to care for them is a negative thing and ergo a negative act.

[jakswan]

Welby is talking about caring for people in uncertainty, Farage thinks tgat's negative. It's factual that there are people homeless etc so Farage thinks asking people to care for them is a negative thing and ergo a negative act.

I'm confused now, you are saying that Farage is saying caring for people is negative?

[Hope]

I'm confused now, you are saying that Farage is saying caring for people is negative?

He often comes across as a someone who believes that everyone should fend for themselves.

[Jack Knave]

Welby is talking about caring for people in uncertainty, Farage thinks tgat's negative. It's factual that there are people homeless etc so Farage thinks asking people to care for them is a negative thing and ergo a negative act.

Welby's reference to uncertainty is a jab at Brexit, i.e. his lack of faith and confidence in Britain and his deluded idea that the EU is a good thing. Farage's comments were aimed at that.

[Shaker]

Welby's reference to uncertainty is a jab at Brexit, i.e. his lack of faith and confidence in Britain and his deluded idea that the EU is a good thing. Farage's comments were aimed at that.

Where did Welby mention Brexit in his Christmas message?

The Archbishop did not mention any specific events.

That being so, where did you get the idea that his message was a "jab at Brexit"?

Perhaps Beer'n'fags Nige was just living down to his persona and being a twat again?

[Brownie]

I agree with what you said about Farage, NS, he talks out of the top of his head sometimes, without thinking.
However he does give the impression of being generally uncaring about society, survival of the fittest, etc.
That attitude was a common one towards the end of the 1980s and early to mid 1990s, I encountered it a few times and it saddened me.  Is Farage an anachronism perhaps?

[jakswan]

Where did Welby mention Brexit in his Christmas message?

That being so, where did you get the idea that his message was a "jab at Brexit"?

Perhaps Beer'n'fags Nige was just living down to his persona and being a twat again?

What did the rest of the paragraph say in the bit you copied from the telegraph?

[jakswan]

I agree with what you said about Farage, NS, he talks out of the top of his head sometimes, without thinking.
However he does give the impression of being generally uncaring about society, survival of the fittest, etc.
That attitude was a common one towards the end of the 1980s and early to mid 1990s, I encountered it a few times and it saddened me.  Is Farage an anachronism perhaps?

He is a nationalist you get that impression from this flavour of politician, Sturgeon,  Farage, Trump.

[floo]

He is a nationalist you get that impression from this flavour of politician, Sturgeon,  Farage, Trump.

Nationalists are usually highly unpleasant people.

[Aruntraveller]

Nationalists are usually highly unpleasant people.

Far too simplistic Floo.

It depends on the kind of nationalism.

[Anchorman]

Nationalists are usually highly unpleasant people.

Thanks, floo.

[Anchorman]

Far too simplistic Floo.

It depends on the kind of nationalism.

Absolutely.
I have no truck whatsoever with ethnic nationalism.
Civic nationalism's a whole different ball game.

[jakswan]

Absolutely.
I have no truck whatsoever with ethnic nationalism.
Civic nationalism's a whole different ball game.

In your opinion, i view the SNP just as toxic as Trump, just as dishonest, moan a whole lot more.

[Anchorman]

In your opinion, i view the SNP just as toxic as Trump, just as dishonest, moan a whole lot more.
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That would be the party which has English, French, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese and Dutch born elected representatives at local, national, UK and EU level?

[jakswan]

That would be the party which has English, French, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese and Dutch born elected representatives at local, national, UK and EU level?

It would be the party the represents anyone as long as they are from the right nation. Never claimed they were racist.

[jeremyp]

In your opinion, i view the SNP just as toxic as Trump, just as dishonest, moan a whole lot more.

I don't think they are toxic at all. I disagree with them on Scottish Independence (or I did before the Brexiteers kicked them in the teeth) but I don't think they are anything like as dishonest as Trump.

As somebody who likes breaking political unions up, you must have some sympathy with them.

[Anchorman]

It would be the party the represents anyone as long as they are from the right nation. Never claimed they were racist.

And since many regard the 'UK' as a union, rather than a nation, surely you'd be happy to break it up?

[jakswan]

I don't think they are toxic at all. I disagree with them on Scottish Independence (or I did before the Brexiteers kicked them in the teeth) but I don't think they are anything like as dishonest as Trump.

Well everyone has different opinions, they spin as hard as Blair did.

As somebody who likes breaking political unions up, you must have some sympathy with them.

Flawed premise and conclusion, you are somebody who is consistent though well done!

[Nearly Sane]

It would be the party the represents anyone as long as they are from the right nation. Never claimed they were racist.

mmm, you might want to try and rephrase that 'from' implies precisely racism. What about Eilidh Whiteford's Private Members bill, that wasn't limited to Scotland?

[jakswan]

And since many regard the 'UK' as a union, rather than a nation, surely you'd be happy to break it up?

Heck yeah I'd vote for Scotland to leave.

[Nearly Sane]

Well everyone has different opinions, they spin as hard as Blair did.

Indeed and merely sort of repeating your's, I.e. making a different assertion doesn't give any strength to your opinion. And why have you switched from as 'toxic as Trump' to something different?

[Nearly Sane]

Heck yeah I'd vote for Scotland to leave.

Would that be because you would want the best for the country you are from?

[Jack Knave]

Where did Welby mention Brexit in his Christmas message?

That being so, where did you get the idea that his message was a "jab at Brexit"?

He didn't mention it directly but what else would he mean by in these uncertain times? Nothing else has changed from last year, 2015, except for Brexit and he wasn't harking on like this last year, using phrases like these uncertain times and implying things have got even worse than last year. This is what Farage responded to, and to Welby's lack of faith in the better future that Brexit could give us if it is handled properly.