Bad news for Secular Humanisms ''Good Bloke'' theory.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38030302

[splashscuba]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38030302

What ?

[Aruntraveller]

Usual ill-thought out bollocks.

As shown below it is the booze that's the problem.

"The misuse of alcohol has a significant impact on violence within emergency departments and it is clear that more needs to be done, outside of medical settings, to reduce rates of alcohol abuse," he said.

Now can you show a causal link between the misuse of booze and secularism?

Thought not.

Now piss off and have a Happy and sober New Year.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Usual ill-thought out bollocks.

As shown below it is the booze that's the problem.

Now can you show a causal link between the misuse of booze and secularism?

Thought not.

Now piss off and have a Happy and sober New Year.

I was referring to Secular Humanism not secularism but it is interesting how SH seems to absorbed secularism.

I'm afraid if SH claims moral improvement through itself(Pinker/Dawkins) and guff such as ''religion makes good people bad''(Every new atheist going) then it must also take responsibility for the level of violence in a society it claims to be converting to itself...unless you are suggesting that all of these acts of violence were perpetrated by the religious?

[Shaker]

Usual ill-thought out bollocks.

And there, indeed, we can leave Vlad's latest car crash 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

And there, indeed, we can leave Vlad's latest car crash 

Shaker again providing the Christmas entertainment. Die Hard 3. Turdpolish with a vengeance.

[Shaker]

As trent said ...

[Walter]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38030302

what the........?

[Shaker]

what the........?

See #2.

[jeremyp]

The question to ask is "is that a lot?"

According to the statistical report I downloaded (NHS Wales Statistics 2016) there are over 900,000 visits just to A&E every year in Wales. So that means around two out of every hundred visits to A&E result in a physical assault (and that assumes all the 18,000 are in A&E, there are also around a million other treatments, each of which can have more than one visit). That doesn't strike me as a big number (obviously it is big compared with zero, which is the ideal).

Furthermore, Vlad's story has a table showing the history of assaults over five years for some areas. In only one case was the 2015-16 figure the highest. That suggests we could be on an improving trend. As secularism increases, hospital assaults decrease.

[Shaker]

...unless you are suggesting that all of these acts of violence were perpetrated by the religious?

Actually, Vlad, since you're bizzarely trying to pin assaults on hospital staff to secular humanism in some fashion, surely you're the one implying that those carrying out the assaults are secular humanists?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Actually, Vlad, since you're bizzarely trying to pin assaults on hospital staff to secular humanism in some fashion, surely you're the one implying that those carrying out the assaults are secular humanists?

If Dawkins and Pinker declare a reduction in violence on the growth of humanism and you guys nod why not an increase in violence on the growth of humanism?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The question to ask is "is that a lot?"

According to the statistical report I downloaded (NHS Wales Statistics 2016) there are over 900,000 visits just to A&E every year in Wales. So that means around two out of every hundred visits to A&E result in a physical assault (and that assumes all the 18,000 are in A&E, there are also around a million other treatments, each of which can have more than one visit). That doesn't strike me as a big number (obviously it is big compared with zero, which is the ideal).

Furthermore, Vlad's story has a table showing the history of assaults over five years for some areas. In only one case was the 2015-16 figure the highest. That suggests we could be on an improving trend. As secularism increases, hospital assaults decrease.

What were the figures in 1968?

[Shaker]

If Dawkins and Pinker declare a reduction in violence on the growth of humanism

Do they?

and you guys nod why not an increase in violence on the growth of humanism?

Do you know anything about statistics, Vlad? Correlation? Causation?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do they? Do you know anything about statistics, Vlad? Correlation? Causation?

Yes. I am couching this in the claim that a secular society is a better society because religion is the root of all evil....are you suggesting that these claims have not been made?

[Shaker]

Yes.

Plenty of people say that a secular society is better than a religious society. I've said it myself many a time, not merely because I think it true but because I hold that there's demonstrable evidence that bears it out.

I've never seen anyone, anywhere, ever claim that a secular society is better than a religious society because religion is the root of all evil, as per your post.

If you know otherwise, by all means, let's see it.

[Owlswing]

Do they? Do you know anything about statistics, Vlad? Correlation? Causation?

Hi Shaker

I have found the mathematical formula that demonstrates Vlad's knowledge of statistics

The cube of its rate is pi minus 8 = two-thirds of three-fifths of F-All!

I was going to try to polish one of Vlad's turds but it seems that the reason he is so full of shit is that he never actually passes any.


TAXI!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes.

Plenty of people say that a secular society is better than a religious society. I've said it myself many a time, not merely because I think it true but because I hold that there's demonstrable evidence that bears it out.

I've never seen anyone, anywhere, ever claim that a secular society is better than a religious society because religion is the root of all evil, as per your post.

If you know otherwise, by all means, let's see it.

The trouble is though is that increases in modern slavery, violence against public servants, increase in inequalities, food banks, homelessness seem to coincide with New Atheism despite the claims. Also by secular society I meant to mean Secular Humanist society.

In any case the aforementioned things aren't meant to happen with increasing secular humanism but underline the notion of sin.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I was going to try to polish one of Vlad's turds....

I'm not accustomed to donating to the already wealthy.

[Shaker]

The trouble is though is that increases in modern slavery, violence against public servants, increase in inequalities, food banks, homelessness seem to coincide with New Atheism despite the claims.

They seem to coincide with a fast-expanding population.

Also by secular society I meant to mean Secular Humanist society.

Where did you have in mind?

In any case the aforementioned things aren't meant to happen with increasing secular humanism but underline the notion of sin.

Firstly you haven't demonstrated that our society is any more positively humanistic (as opposed to merely negatively non-religious) than it has ever been. All your work is ahead of you; you haven't even offered up any evidence for that, let alone your insinuation/implication that these things are the result of humanism (which I'd put money on your not understanding any more than you do the concept of secularism). Where's the causal link between the two things?

Needless to say, I'm still awaiting not only the evidence for these things but for your claim (as per your post #14) that anyone has ever claimed that a secular society is better than a religious society because religion is the root of all evil.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

They seem to coincide with a fast-expanding population.
Where did you have in mind?
Firstly you haven't demonstrated that our society is any more positively humanistic (as opposed to merely negatively non-religious) than it has ever been. All your work is ahead of you; you haven't even offered up any evidence for that, let alone your insinuation/implication that these things are the result of humanism (which I'd put money on your not understanding any more than you do the concept of secularism). Where's the causal link between the two things?

Needless to say, I'm still awaiting not only the evidence for these things but for your claim (as per your post #14) that anyone has ever claimed that a secular society is better than a religious society because religion is the root of all evil.

One only has to look at the founding and continuous principles of the new atheists many of whom are BHA and the NSS to detect your final suggestion.

[Shaker]

Can you rephrase that into clearer English please?

Are you claiming that the BHA and NSS claim that a secular society is best because religion is the root of all evil? Can you quote or link to this?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Can you rephrase that into clearer English please?

Are you claiming that the BHA and NSS claim that a secular society is best because religion is the root of all evil? Can you quote or link to this?

Was it not Dawkins who talks of the Virus of faith and that religion makes good people do evil things? And is he not feted in the afore mentioned circles and are there those who think religion has no place in the public forum or in cinemas and are there not characters in New atheist circles who see religion as worse than depravity? If not all evil then obviously the implication is nearly all.

[Shaker]

Was it not Dawkins who talks of the Virus of faith

He has used that comparison, yes, as have many.

and that religion makes good people do evil things?

That was Steven Weinberg.

And is he not feted in the afore mentioned circles

He's admired, if that's what you mean.

and are there those who think religion has no place in the public forum or in cinemas and are there not characters in New atheist circles who see religion as worse than depravity? If not all evil then obviously the implication is nearly all.

I've seen no one argue in this vein. Yet another claim you can't substantiate, Vlad? Really, must we? It's no surprise to me that you spout rubbish that you can't hope to back up, but it's tiresome to say the least.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He has used that comparison, yes, as have many.That was Steven Weinberg.

Can you direct me to Dawkins critique of what Weinberg said?