Meanwhile in news not about Brexit...

[Brownie]

There was certainly more care at home, funded by the local health authority;  it was excellent, too.

[jakswan]

I'll think you'll find as with all threads we are all guilty of that at one time or another.

Phew that makes it alright then?

Let he (or she) who is without sin etc, etc.

Sin is not a word I subscribe to however I always endeavour to play the ball not the man, I'm weak sometimes and fail however I don't make excuses with catchphrases.

[Aruntraveller]

Phew that makes it alright then?

Sin is not a word I subscribe to however I always endeavour to play the ball not the man, I'm weak sometimes and fail however I don't make excuses with catchphrases.

Well there you are then. You are obviously a better man than I am.

[jeremyp]

Because if you give anything away for "free" the demand is going to rise.

When people are ill, you want them to seek treatment. Keeping people away from hospital who need to be in hospital is a false economy.

[jakswan]

When people are ill, you want them to seek treatment. Keeping people away from hospital who need to be in hospital is a false economy.

Its more complex than that. My solution isn't going to happen what is your solution?

[Sassy]

Sassy -

Does Matron know that you are at the keyboard again?

Why not wait until your medication has taken effect before starting to type? Your very first sentence is incomprehensible.

What do you expect the closure of so many hospitals and the A&E shutting has put millions of our people at risk. Is it question? Are there words missing? It is incoherent. You then follow it with: All part of entering the EU to stop them taking advantage of the services and make it private. Who is "them"? And how does "entering the EU" stop "them" from doing ... anything?

If I knew what you are trying to say, I might devote some time to reading this, but it is incoherent. Could you please rewrite it in English?

I thought you understood the events happening at present. No one in the educated loop requires missing words. Don't worry everyone is aware you know nothing of present day events now.

[Sassy]

Sass. You really need to study our history to undetstand why we became a powerful nation. Clue: it has very little to do with Christianity and a lot more to do with exploiting other nations.

As to your hysteria over the EU and the NHS get a fucking grip woman. Look at the amount invested in health per head of the population here and compare it to France, or the  Netherlamds, or Germany. You"ll soon work out the real reason. Or in your case probably not. But the equation is really very simple....less money = deteriorating service.

I know my history, like i KNOW saving people from starvation whilst they allow you to mine their goods sharing the prosperity is not exploiting.
But the Countries which were part of our empire are doing alright for themselves aren't they?
As the NHS they are trying to make it collapse so you have to pay for your healthcare.
Can't believe everyone so blind.  They have shut down hospitals and the News today proves that the lack of beds from those hospitals and closed A&E DEPARTMENTS means life giving operations are being delayed.

When you want to discuss facts let me know. But come out of la la land first.

[Sassy]

The problem isn't the EU, Sass; rather it is the ever-growing aging population, the aging stock of hospitals and ever-growing improvements in medical technology (and its growing cost), etc.
It is all about money making... THINK! What happens when just a few hospitals remain.
Part of the problem has been the shortage of specialist staff for all the various hospitals that had sprung up, which is why it was felt thatthere ought to be fewer but potentially larger specialist centres.
I agree, both Labour and Tory parties have failed us in a whole host of areas.

Why didn't those elderly people pay into the NHS when working?
It is too many people from other countries who have brought the NHS to where it is.
Had not so many come here for free medical treatment then we would not be where we are now. And hence now you cannot get free medical treatment here any longer.

[Aruntraveller]

I know my history, like i KNOW saving people from starvation whilst they allow you to mine their goods sharing the prosperity is not exploiting.
But the Countries which were part of our empire are doing alright for themselves aren't they?
As the NHS they are trying to make it collapse so you have to pay for your healthcare.
Can't believe everyone so blind.  They have shut down hospitals and the News today proves that the lack of beds from those hospitals and closed A&E DEPARTMENTS means life giving operations are being delayed.

When you want to discuss facts let me know. But come out of la la land first.

I think you need to re-read my post instead of going for the jugular every single time. Read the bit less money = deteriorating service. We aren't actually disagreeing here.

As Noam Chomsky says:

That's the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don't work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital.

[Brownie]

Why didn't those elderly people pay into the NHS when working?
It is too many people from other countries who have brought the NHS to where it is.
Had not so many come here for free medical treatment then we would not be where we are now. And hence now you cannot get free medical treatment here any longer.

Well, I get free medical treatment, or free at the point of need;  obviously I contribute in tax towards the NHS but no-one notices the little bit taken from their pay cheque once a month which goes towards it (deletions for other things may cause some stress).   I know, had I been unable to work and did not now have a pension, I would get the same treatment.  Those who can contribute do and thus care for those who are unable to, that is what the welfare state is all about.

Elderly people have paid into the NHS and many continue to do so until they die, according to their income.

People from overseas pay tax the same as anyone else when they are working so it is quite fair for them to receive the same benefits as anyone else in this country.

There are many who come here for treatment from countries where there is no reciprocal arrangement, and they are charged quite heftily by the NHS for treatment which causes no complaint.  Or else they go private but you would be surprised how highly the NHS is rated.

I suppose you mean refugees and asylum seekers.   There are plenty of English/British people whose parents or grandparents were foreigners who came to the UK seeking refuge.   Given a little time and help, they work and their descendants definitely work.   

It would be inhumane to turn away people in need.

Any one of us could find ourselves in a bad situation and be glad of a helping hand, let's face it, we are all going to be ill at some time or other.   How would we feel if we were rejected?

[Harrowby Hall]

Why didn't those elderly people pay into the NHS when working?
It is too many people from other countries who have brought the NHS to where it is.
Had not so many come here for free medical treatment then we would not be where we are now. And hence now you cannot get free medical treatment here any longer.

Sassy,

Everyone pays into the NHS. It is funded from general taxation. There is no hypothecated tax for health services, they are paid for by income tax, by VAT, by corporation tax, by excise duties. Everyone - at some time - pays these taxes. I suspect you are thinking of National Insurance contributions  - these pay for the retirement pension not the NHS. Your implication, therefore that these "elderly people" made no financial contribution to the NHS is fallacious.

The largest single demand on NHS services now comes from obesity, not foreigners. The NHS could not function without the substantial number of foreign-born people now working in its ranks.

I am becoming rather concerned about these responses from Sassy. There is a trend towards irrationality in many of them. Some of her responses are so bizarre that it can be difficult to believe they are serious. I don't think that I am really doing anything constructive by replying to them so I shall now refrain from doing so.