President Elect Trump

[Udayana]

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Yes, a very similar sentiment. Uneducated, ignorant people with little real grasp of the knock-on effects, who think that there are simple solutions to complex problems voting for people are prepared to say whatever it takes to get approval, and the consequences be damned. It has always been the problem with democracy, that the people get what they want, not necessarily what is best for them or the situation.

O.

Don't believe this applies to Modi really. He is a popularist and nationalist but hardly an out and out liar like Trump, or even an "impulsive decision maker". He is trying to disentangle India from corrupt systems which strangle progress.

Trumps actions will affect India enormously, hopefully Modi will be able to find the opportunities to limit the adverse effects by using opportunities presented by the massive trade re-alignments expected.

[Nearly Sane]

Climate change - who cares. Quick decision. People die all fine, quick decision.

[Jack Knave]

The need for change isn't a picture, what needs to change and how?we could change things by killing all gingers, should we? If not why not?


The people you seem to say are trying not to change, are, I would argue, those that have been fighting for change more obcpviously than those supporting Trump. Indeed change has been one of the things that has been used as a thing to be avoided.


I am cynical about grand plans generally, but when the grand plan you seem to offer is to create any type of change then I doe see how you can either evaluate it or having any aim in sight.

But the systems (political etc.) of the world are corrupt and those with the plans for change often than not do not have access to these political platforms. So what usually happens is that the likes of Trump pop up to rock the boat - that's just life. There isn't a plethora of choices here and so one has to take what there is no matter how bad it looks. Look at the French revolution, should the peasants just have put up until the perfect solution came along? I think not. And those that started it off were out and guillotined with in a year or two, I believe. If you are going to wait until the perfect solution presents itself in the political arena, championed by the venal elitists, we will all be here until hell freezes over.

[Jack Knave]

Why is better a strange word in your approach that this 'madness started some three decades ago'? If it's madness surely you the nk that it wasn't madness before?

Because it is imposing a straw man on me. It is a superfluous comment.

[Nearly Sane]

Because it is imposing a straw man on me. It is a superfluous comment.

in what way? You called it madness? Is what existed before not better, if not how do judge it madness?

[Nearly Sane]

But the systems (political etc.) of the world are corrupt and those with the plans for change often than not do not have access to these political platforms. So what usually happens is that the likes of Trump pop up to rock the boat - that's just life. There isn't a plethora of choices here and so one has to take what there is no matter how bad it looks. Look at the French revolution, should the peasants just have put up until the perfect solution came along? I think not. And those that started it off were out and guillotined with in a year or two, I believe. If you are going to wait until the perfect solution presents itself in the political arena, championed by the venal elitists, we will all be here until hell freezes over.

and again strawman. Not aiming for perfect but if you don't aim or even know what you think is better, seems ok to behead people.

[Jack Knave]

Much better to take your time and make the right decision, informed by people who know what they are talking about rather than rush into a hasty ill informed decision and regret at leisure.

This idea that experts are somehow a problem is becoming pervasive and just about the most dangerous aspect of this whole 'populist' wave.

But it is these so called experts that have caused this mess in the first place. They aren't qualified to put it right.

[torridon]

But it is these so called experts that have caused this mess in the first place. They aren't qualified to put it right.

Yeah, let's give the idiots a shot at it  Real clever Jack.

[Jack Knave]

in what way? You called it madness? Is what existed before not better, if not how do judge it madness?

It is a straw man because it is presenting a binary choice. Who said anything about going back to what there was? And better does not always mean good enough.

[Jack Knave]

and again strawman. Not aiming for perfect but if you don't aim or even know what you think is better, seems ok to behead people.

But didn't the French and Russian revolutions think they were coming up with something better; a solution to aim for to deal with the mess they faced. You make the best judgements you can. But at times like that people have different ideas and seek power, and those with the biggest gun tend to win.

[Jack Knave]

Yeah, let's give the idiots a shot at it  Real clever Jack.

As I said it is these so called experts that have caused this mess, so who are the real idiots here?

[Nearly Sane]

It is a straw man because it is presenting a binary choice. Who said anything about going back to what there was? And better does not always mean good enough.

again who said it did? I didn't make the binary choice, you did with the term madness. You seen confused.

[Nearly Sane]

As I said it is these so called experts that have caused this mess, so who are the real idiots here?

What mess and what is your solution? You seem to think that beheading people is good. Have a biscuit.

[Nearly Sane]

But didn't the French and Russian revolutions think they were coming up with something better; a solution to aim for to deal with the mess they faced. You make the best judgements you can. But at times like that people have different ideas and seek power, and those with the biggest gun tend to win.

You want to kill people.mmmm

[Anchorman]

What mess and what is your solution? You seem to think that beheading people is good. Have a biscuit.

- I'd suggest a Garibaldi.

[Brownie]

An appropriate name but not very Nice.

[Aruntraveller]

An appropriate name but not very Nice.

Stop it. All these biscuit based puns are leaving me cream-crackered.

[Rhiannon]

Stop it. All these biscuit based puns are leaving me cream-crackered.

Yes, they are appalling. I feel quite ill. I'm in need of some rich tea as a digestive.

[Shaker]

That's enough of this biscuit-based nonsense, I'm out of here.

I'm not hobnobbing with you lot.

[Aruntraveller]

I'm now in need of a holiday. I'm off to Abernethy.

[Rhiannon]

Join the Club.

[Udayana]

 trump biscuit
noun / trump bis cuit / /trʌmp 'bɪskɪt/

: glittering, unrepentant falsehood
: an unabashed, confident lie
:a statement given by a person who ironically believes its truth is self evident, despite its obvious falseness
He's got a great temperament? Talk about a trump biscuit!
Enough with all these trump biscuits, let's look at the facts.
#falsehood #lie #malarkey #bullshit #horseshit #balderdash #nonsense #drivel

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trump%20biscuit

[jeremyp]

Better is a strange word. Neo-Liberalism has given us the crash of 2008

So the last Republican executive caused the crash. Obama has spent eight years recovering from the crash and now you want change. Why?

Trump is a property developer. He has appointed bankers and oil executives to his cabinet. The neo capitalists you abhor are in charge now.

Be afraid.

[jeremyp]

There is...'paralysis by analysis'.

And there is a whole spectrum in between rushing the wrong decision through and doing nothing.

And also intellectual solutions that are not always emotionally satisfying.   

So you might not do the right thing because you don't find it emotionally satisfying? Humanity is screwed.

[Anchorman]

Given that 'The Donald' has ripped up a couple of trade deals already, is he he having a breakaway?