President Elect Trump

[Shaker]

I imagine the immediate issue will be abortiom rights and acees.

http://tinyurl.com/hlew6ef

[Spud]

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I'd agree, Susan.
I recognised nothing Christian in yesterday's shenanigans - and that numpty Franklin Graham saying that the rain was God's sign of blessing shows me just how cardboard Christianity the American right is.

I think you're being a bit perfectionist, Am

The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. I thought there appeared to be quite a genuine request for God to bless the country under its new leader.

Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him. It will be a good thing if he as a person ends up more humble or closer to God, provided he doesn't make a hash of the presidency. I think that there is a place for a "secular" person to mention God, because it shows that he was not taking all the glory for himself. For instance, Trump mentioned the Creator, and the other readers mentioned Jesus several times. There was no theological problem with the way it was done (except in the rabbi's speech - I can't remember what he said but remember part of it being a plug for Israel??). Also the mention of King Solomon in one of the readings brought with it the possibility of a good ruler turning into a bad one.

[Shaker]

The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Clearly it referred to any kind of precipitation.

Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him.

I don't think he can spell humble, let alone be it. Have you seen today's news yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722

This is not a president. This is a petulant man-child who thinks that everything he doesn't like or everything that goes against him is "rigged". You seem to forget that this ridiculously-coiffed tangerine-coloured idiot said that if he lost the election (which in terms of numbers he actually did) it will have been because it was fixed - somehow. By somebody. Somewhere.

[Anchorman]

I think you're being a bit perfectionist, Am

The "rain" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. I thought there appeared to be quite a genuine request for God to bless the country under its new leader.

Trump has apologized for the lewd historical comments he made and it looks like this experience has been humbling for him. It will be a good thing if he as a person ends up more humble or closer to God, provided he doesn't make a hash of the presidency. I think that there is a place for a "secular" person to mention God, because it shows that he was not taking all the glory for himself. For instance, Trump mentioned the Creator, and the other readers mentioned Jesus several times. There was no theological problem with the way it was done (except in the rabbi's speech - I can't remember what he said but remember part of it being a plug for Israel??). Also the mention of King Solomon in one of the readings brought with it the possibility of a good ruler turning into a bad one.

Spud;
The tangerine nightmare can bleat apologies till his hair turns blue.
Untill he starts putting his oversized gob into gear and gettting what passes for his brain in action, and puts policies whhich favour 'these, the least of my brothers' into practice, I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves.
A parrot can memorise Scripture.
Christians have to LIVE them.
And don't even start me on Franklin Graham, please - I don't want to vomit on the Sabbath.

[Shaker]

Hear hear!

[Spud]

Spud;
The tangerine nightmare can bleat apologies till his hair turns blue.
Untill he starts putting his oversized gob into gear and gettting what passes for his brain in action, and puts policies whhich favour 'these, the least of my brothers' into practice, I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves.
A parrot can memorise Scripture.
Christians have to LIVE them.
And don't even start me on Franklin Graham, please - I don't want to vomit on the Sabbath.

Careful or you might start to sound like him.

[Anchorman]

Spud; The Gospel I read tells me that, whether we want to or not, we need to look after "the least, the last and the lost". The rabid bile Trump spewed against immigrants, women, Moslems etc, during his campaign suggests that he was woefully unfamiliar with these texts.

[Spud]

Spud; The Gospel I read tells me that, whether we want to or not, we need to look after "the least, the last and the lost".

Yes and wasn't his main focus on helping all of these in his country?

The rabid bile Trump spewed against immigrants, women, Moslems etc, during his campaign suggests that he was woefully unfamiliar with these texts.

Firstly, he is concerned about radical Islam. Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped. Thirdly, his comments about immigration seem to be aimed at putting Americans first, the problem being that the whole world wants to live in the US.

You call it rabid bile, but to be honest it was no worse than what the others spewed out.

Thanks for making me look up Franklin Graham, btw. I didn't know he is Billy Graham's son.

[Rhiannon]

Franklin Graham was (and probably still is) making something like a million dollars a year from his charities.

[Anchorman]

Yes and wasn't his main focus on helping all of these in his country?

Firstly, he is concerned about radical Islam. Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped. Thirdly, his comments about immigration seem to be aimed at putting Americans first, the problem being that the whole world wants to live in the US.

You call it rabid bile, but to be honest it was no worse than what the others spewed out.

Thanks for making me look up Franklin Graham, btw. I didn't know he is Billy Graham's son.

It seems that Trump's reaction to 'strangers' was, rather than to welcome them - as the Lord Jesus said - but to either tell them to get out and stop them coming in if they were Moslem, or build a wll to stop them coming in if they were Mexican.
And his attitude to a disabled reporter - caught on camera - was a disgrace - mocking the man's disability. Hardly Christ like, was it?
We have the latest - lies spewed by his press chief this very morning, trying to deny the truth of the poor figures attending his inauguration. Oh, yes, and rolling back health provision for the poorer sectors in his country.
Where is this allowed or even promoted in Scripture, please?

[Rhiannon]

First there was 'fake news'. Now we have 'alternative facts'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38712182

[Gordon]

You'd have thought that he, or one of his underlings, would know when to stop digging: but clearly not.

The way he's alienating his home media (except the fawning Fox of course) he'll turn the deserved disrespect for him personally into disrespect for the office he holds.

[SqueakyVoice]

You'd have thought that he, or one of his underlings, would know when to stop digging: but clearly not.

The way he's alienating his home media (except the fawning Fox of course) he'll turn the deserved disrespect for him personally into disrespect for the office he holds.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/sean-spicer-inauguration-groucho-marxist-asking-us-not-believe-our-own-eyes

More darkly still, the authoritarian regards telling the population lies to be a test of strength. The Trump White House will now watch closely to see who repeats Spicer’s falsehoods without protest and who objects. Among the media, the former will be rewarded and the latter punished.

But it’s even more basic than that. Authoritarian strongmen crave control. If they can control what you believe – even make you believe that black is white and night is day – then their power over you is total. Not for nothing did George Orwell’s 1984 have the omnipotent Party persuade Winston Smith that if a Party official said he was holding up five fingers, then he really was holding up five – even if Smith could only see four.

[Rhiannon]

I'd like to say that I think Trump should be given a chance, not least because we are completely powerless to do anything about him being president and that is stressful. But I really believe that with him nobody can afford to let their guard down.

[Aruntraveller]

Secondly, I think the reaction to his comments about women is over hyped.

So can you tell us in what circumstances, and with whom, you think it is acceptable to talk about, no lets be more honest here, boast about grabbing pussies?

You say the other side spewed out things just as bad. Really??

I mean I'm not Hillary's biggest fan (more of Bernie man myself) but as far as I can recall she said nothing, absolutely nothing, that was as repugnant as this man's sexist leerings.

[Aruntraveller]

We have the alt-right.

We now have alt-facts:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-aide-kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts-inauguration_uk_5884e066e4b020854098911e?owvefdhwzksps0pb9

I'd like to say you couldn't make this stuff up. But I clearly have just not been trying hard enough.

[JP]

Have I missed something that has happened here in the UK. Have women been ordered not to leave the kitchen or something? Has Trump that much influence?

[Rhiannon]

This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.

But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-38703840

[Spud]

It seems that Trump's reaction to 'strangers' was, rather than to welcome them - as the Lord Jesus said - but to either tell them to get out and stop them coming in if they were Moslem, or build a wll to stop them coming in if they were Mexican.

Reason= drugs trade.

And his attitude to a disabled reporter - caught on camera - was a disgrace - mocking the man's disability. Hardly Christ like, was it?

Agreed.

We have the latest - lies spewed by his press chief this very morning, trying to deny the truth of the poor figures attending his inauguration.

The press secretary said security measures prevented crowds from quickly accessing the Mall; this would explain the empty Mall in the photo before it started; but this photo taken later show it packed full:

http://tinyurl.com/zm8kvso

He also said that "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"

This seems to suggest that he might have been referring to a combined audience of TV viewers and attendees.

Oh, yes, and rolling back health provision for the poorer sectors in his country.
Where is this allowed or even promoted in Scripture, please?

[JP]

This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.

The marchers seem to be concerned about the rights of women but you seem to mean people as in the general population - I agree with you if its people as we are politically and militarily linked to the USA, as is a lot of the world. If you mean British women - then I fail to see where you are coming from.

But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.

And they have had to wait until Trump was elected to do this?

[Shaker]

And they have had to wait until Trump was elected to do this?

The situation wasn't quite as desperate or as urgent as it is now that the Orange One is behind the big desk. US women, for example, are stockpiling the morning after pill for a reason. It's considered highly likely that President Fart is going to install a conservative justice, making the Supreme Court majority conservative. If he decides to go after Roe v. Wade, as he has indicated that he will*, that could put abortion rights at serious risk.

As Rhiannon put it, this is a wake-up call for the globe.

* Source: http://tinyurl.com/hrjgece

EDIT: "He also cut funding for international groups that provide abortions."

[Anchorman]

Shaker: "...the orange one...." I suspect I'm not the only one who ferevently hopes he isn't orange as well as everything else.... Visions of a mysoginist xenophobe hurling insults at disabled people, while banging a bloomin great drum, wearing a daft looking sash and sporting a Laurel and Hardy bowler hat are a bit over the top. But, hey, give him time.......

[SqueakyVoice]

Reason= drugs trade.Agreed.The press secretary said security measures prevented crowds from quickly accessing the Mall; this would explain the empty Mall in the photo before it started; but this photo taken later show it packed full:

http://tinyurl.com/zm8kvso

He also said that "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe"

This seems to suggest that he might have been referring to a combined audience of TV viewers and attendees.

This is the uncompressed link you've provided (with a few spaces to avoid shagging the forum's formatting up).

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=trump+inauguration+photos+of+crowd &view=detailv2 &adlt=STRICT&id=E7BBF7291FA4CB811879A732A1FF6A47045DA39B &selectedindex=15 &ccid=C7J6jhQl &simid=608002533889739546 &thid=OIP.C7J6jhQljHrCV4_QHpdzPQEsC7 &mode=overlay&first=1

What makes you think any of those images demonstrate anything other than the Tiny handed Orange Liar and his minions are lying?

[wigginhall]

This is a wake-up call for the globe. As a mother Trump makes me fear for my kids' future - it's a small world and he and his 'team' make it a whole lot less safer. These things no longer happen in isolation and its incredibly naive to think that this election won't affect British people.

But one stated aim of the protests is for this to galvanise minority rights globally -in other words, for people to look at their own local injustices, not just against women but against anyone who is powerless or who is having their rights taken away. I don't have a problem with that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-38703840

Yes, the sisterhood.  Women support each other round the globe, against attacks and prejudice, and as you say, also defend other minorities, e.g. LGBT, black people, Muslims.  Right wing governments (and individuals) tend to attack such people.

[Shaker]

Yes, the sisterhood.  Women support each other round the globe, against attacks and prejudice, and as you say, also defend other minorities, e.g. LGBT, black people, Muslims.  Right wing governments (and individuals) tend to attack such people.

And then we need to factor in his stated desire to support fossil fuel and piss all over climate accords, treaties and targets*.

* Or, possibly, get some Russian ladies of financially negotiable affections to do it for him. Allegedly.