President Elect Trump

[ProfessorDavey]

Not looking like Trump is open to the possibility of trade deals:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056

Doesn't bode well for May and her hopes of a preferential UK/USA deal post-brexit. Trump seems interested only in protectionism and why would he be more open to the UK taking American jobs than Canada, Japan or Australia, who are in the firing line today.

[Jack Knave]

Have I missed something that has happened here in the UK. Have women been ordered not to leave the kitchen or something? Has Trump that much influence?

Yes. People only react when it is bleeding obvious that something is wrong but they are too stupid to see that they have been pissed on for years by something much more dangerous than Trump - and who claims he wants to deal with these "Pissers", but they, the people, can't see that he wants to help remove these "Pissers".

[Nearly Sane]

Yes. People only react when it is bleeding obvious that something is wrong but they are too stupid to see that they have been pissed on for years by something much more dangerous than Trump - and who claims he wants to deal with these "Pissers", but they, the people, can't see that he wants to help remove these "Pissers".

Aye, right

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-abortion-rights-executive-order_uk_58863bbfe4b0208540990e96

[Jack Knave]

Aye, right

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-abortion-rights-executive-order_uk_58863bbfe4b0208540990e96

That is not what I was referring to. Though important it is not a major issue with regards to the corrupt Neo-Liberal, Neo-Con Elitist that runs the world and has caused massive inequalities in this world. I also never claimed that he is perfect; just going to be good to see the various elitists fight it out.

[Nearly Sane]

That is not what I was referring to. Though important it is not a major issue with regards to the corrupt Neo-Liberal, Neo-Con Elitist that runs the world and has caused massive inequalities in this world. I also never claimed that he is perfect; just going to be good to see the various elitists fight it out.

I see you have the same problem with facts that he does.

[Jack Knave]

I see you have the same problem with facts that he does.

I see you still have the problem of making meaningless statements.

[Nearly Sane]

I see you still have the problem of making meaningless statements.

No, I was just pointing out that instead of trotting out a vacuous slogan about neo capitalism, the details of what he has actually done is an issue. I take it you also support his recruiting 6 people from Goldman Sachs is indicative of his fighting against neo Capitalism?

[Jack Knave]

No, I was just pointing out that instead of trotting out a vacuous slogan about neo capitalism, the details of what he has actually done is an issue. I take it you also support his recruiting 6 people from Goldman Sachs is indicative of his fighting against neo Capitalism?

Why is it vacuous? There are realities behind those terms that have affected your life. Things these people have done; as you put it.

I don't know what he is up to but he is not business as usual, he is not the political establishment.

Just viewing what someone has done in the immediacy of the Now is rather stupid and naïve if one doesn't take a wider view of what has been going on for years.

[Nearly Sane]

Why is it vacuous? There are realities behind those terms that have affected your life. Things these people have done; as you put it.

I don't know what he is up to but he is not business as usual, he is not the political establishment.

Just viewing what someone has done in the immediacy of the Now is rather stupid and naïve if one doesn't take a wider view of what has been going on for years.

So no matter what he actually does, it doesn't matter. Great. So when he appoints judges who roll back Roe V Wade, you will tell women not to bother their pretty little heads because the actual effect on them needs to be seen from your much wider perspective where actions are not the important thing.

[Jack Knave]

So no matter what he actually does, it doesn't matter. Great. So when he appoints judges who roll back Roe V Wade, you will tell women not to bother their pretty little heads because the actual effect on them needs to be seen from your much wider perspective where actuibs are not the impiratnt thing.

I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.

[Shaker]

Three decades takes us back to 1987. What madness are you referring to?

[Jack Knave]

Three decades takes us back to 1987. What madness are you referring to?

Don't be so literal. I'm talking about the Neo-Liberal project.

[Gordon]

I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.

Any notion that Trump might bring a breath of sanity to the proceedings seems perverse in the extreme.

[Nearly Sane]

I never said he was perfect. When has any politician done everything you wanted and nothing to disappoint you? The status quo was not a viable option and as these things are what first comes as a replacement is often than not a very poor fit but it is start out of the madness we have been in for the last three decades.

Who said you had suggested he was perfect? Why are you putting up a straw man!


I just think you judge people on what they do and his actions so far seem to give no real support to your hopes, and indeed contradict them in a number of ways. That you then think this should be ignored seems very odd.

[Jack Knave]

Any notion that Trump might bring a breath of sanity to the proceedings seems perverse in the extreme.

Who said anything about sanity. I'm looking for a fight. As I said to NS when change comes the first proposition is often a poor fit and so starts the ball rolling. 

[Nearly Sane]

Who said anything about sanity. I'm looking for a fight. As I said to NS when change comes the first proposition is often a poor fit and so starts the ball rolling.

and in the long run we are all dead. Your position that it needed to be evaluated in some grand scheme would need you to have any idea that the outcome would be in any way better. Do you have such a thing or are you happy to have people suffer just to entertain you?

[Nearly Sane]

Don't be so literal. I'm talking about the Neo-Liberal project.

If you are going to use figures, then you need to expect them to be taken literally. What do you actually think was so good avpbput some time ago, why, and when was it?

[Jack Knave]

Who said you had suggested he was perfect? Why are you putting up a straw man!

I'm just responding to what you implied.

I just think you judge people on what they do and his actions so far seem to give no real support to your hopes, and indeed contradict them in a number of ways. That you then think this should be ignored seems very odd.

He hasn't hardly started yet. What hopes? - this implies an issue of perfection again.

I ignore them because I don't have any real expectations from him except his propensity to have a short temper - Sonny Corleone.

[Jack Knave]

and in the long run we are all dead. Your position that it needed to be evaluated in some grand scheme would need you to have any idea that the outcome would be in any way better. Do you have such a thing or are you happy to have people suffer just to entertain you?

The grand scheme, as you put it, was about what has been going on and the need for change.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm just responding to what you implied.
He hasn't hardly started yet. What hopes? - this implies an issue of perfection again.

I ignore them because I don't have any real expectations from him except his propensity to have a short temper - Sonny Corleone.

Where did I imply it? I suggest you need to look back at the post from JP that  you initially replied to wondering about women protesting, to which you went on your little schtick  about 'Pissers'. My post was factually picking you up on why they might be right to protest based on action. There is nothing implying that you think Trump is perfect,so again stop with the straw man.

[Jack Knave]

If you are going to use figures, then you need to expect them to be taken literally. What do you actually think was so good avpbput some time ago, why, and when was it?

Where did those questions come from which I assume were based on what you thought I said? I was saying that the present system hasn't worked and is falling to bits and it is time for a change - no good old days there.

[Aruntraveller]

no good old days there.

I think posters are referring to the fact that you said the madness started 3 decades ago, implying that prior to that it was not 'madness'. Perhaps you could clarify?

[Nearly Sane]

The grand scheme, as you put it, was about what has been going on and the need for change.

but you were talking earlier about you being able to ignore what he dies because you have some bigger picture, which is what I asked you about leadunh to your evasion above.

[Nearly Sane]

Where did those questions come from which I assume were based on what you thought I said? I was saying that the present system hasn't worked and is falling to bits and it is time for a change - no good old days there.

Your statement that the madness started 3 decades ago, and is some specific thing you are stating.if it wasnymadness before, surely the implication is that it was better?

[Jack Knave]

Where did I imply it? I suggest you need to look back at the post from JP that  you initially replied to wondering about women protesting, to which you went on your little schtick  about 'Pissers'. My post was factually picking you up on why they might be right to protest based on action. There is nothing implying that you think Trump is perfect,so again stop with the straw man.

My post to JP was about how people only protest when it is obvious that they are being screwed etc. They seem to have failed to see how they have been screwed over the years by an insidious system which some seem to want to be back in power.