President Elect Trump

[Shaker]

Where did I say that?

[ad_orientem]

Where did I say that?

It seems you support the policy of Obama and Clinton of antagonising Russia to the point of war but, as I said, I'm sure you don't care because it won't be in your backyard where it all kicks off. Me? I just want to live in peace with our neighbour and to be able to trade with them without some cunt in Washington or Brussels having any say.

[Shaker]

It seems you support the policy of Obama and Clinton of antagonising Russia to the point of war

Since there is no war with Russia I'd say that any such policy has been a dismal failure (not that it actually exists, of course). On the other hand I don't believe in kissing the arse cheeks of a foul despot who presides over a foul regime.

[Rhiannon]

Trump must be incandescent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38786660

[Anchorman]

As I said, I don't really give a fuck about America. As for Trump, I only agree with him in as much as we should follow his example of putting our (Europe's) interests first. That means no more muslims who are a direct threat to our Christian heritage and values, as well as a cultural and ethnic Europe. It also means patching things up with Russia.

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Again, this is NOT 'our Christian heritage' -whatever that is.
As Christians, we have no right to discriminate on grounds of need - quite the opposite, in fact. I rejoice that many American Christian groups are amongst those suing Trump claiming his policies are illegal under U.S. law.
They are certainly antichristian.....you HAVE read the media this morning? People granted visas now turned away - not only Moslems, or perceived 'enimies', but women and children, and some who even helped America in her illegal wars.
the 'Land of the free' is soiled by a man like Trump.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Maybe Trump will deport the Judge to Mars, for defying him!

I would think it more likely that President Fart's secret agents are trying to dig up some dirt on the Judge .

[ekim]

An interesting quote from 'The Art of the Deal' a book by Donald Trump.
 "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration - and a very effective form of promotion."

[SqueakyVoice]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Donald Trump's well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit.

TBH, I couldn't really careless how "vulgar" a visitor to these shores may be, it's the racism, the authoritarianism and the attempts to ban dissent that should see him banned, but the tiny-handed orange fool would still be pissed off if he couldn't meet at least some of the Royals.



 

[Anchorman]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
TBH, I couldn't really careless how "vulgar" a visitor to these shores may be, it's the racism, the authoritarianism and the attempts to ban dissent that should see him banned, but the tiny-handed orange fool would still be pissed off if he couldn't meet at least some of the Royals.



 

Given some of the so-called royals track record where women are concerned, Mr tangerine man will do just fine.
He might have trouble with Charlie over green issues, though.

[Rhiannon]

Bored now.

[JP]

I see the petition to not have Trump on a state visit has a lot of signatures.

Pity the moral compass of the same people did not stretch to the one trying to get the same for King Salman from good old Saudi Arabia. A country which, unlike the USA, beheads people for sorcery, where women are stoned to death for adultery and are banned from driving, where human rights defenders and government critics are imprisoned and suffer flogging and torture. A country from which thousands of migrants were simply kicked out, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations and where thousands of others have their passports removed and kept almost as slaves.

None of which happens in the USA, yet this petition gathered 400 signatures.

[Sriram]

Leaving aside Trump and his brusque way of doing things....I am shocked at the way people around the world take America for granted. As though migrating to America is their birthright!  A free for all, literally!

If I was American, I wouldn't have liked people taking my country for granted like that, frankly! 

[ProfessorDavey]

Leaving aside Trump and his brusque way of doing things....I am shocked at the way people around the world take America for granted. As though migrating to America is their birthright!  A free for all, literally!

I don't think that is true - America has always had a strong history of welcoming migrants, but I don't think it is a given that you will get in and be able to live and work. Getting a green card, for example, isn't straightforward.

If I was American, I wouldn't have liked people taking my country for granted like that, frankly!

If you were American you probably would be a migrant yourself, or have had your family migrate to the USA a few generations back.

[Harrowby Hall]

Inside the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty, on Ellis Island in the harbour of Donald Trump's home city, is a plaque bearing the following poem:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


I wonder if Donald Trump's command of English goes as far as understanding the meaning of:

 “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,"

[Stranger]

Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...

http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

[SqueakyVoice]

Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...

http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Remember, we must defend the honour of the Queen.

Imagine what might happen if she had to meet a elderly privileged foreign chap, whose children have no real jobs but hanging around and doing stuff their father doesn't want to do and who goes around offending almost everyone he comes across, especially the ("slitty-eyed") Chinese.

[Walter]

Back to the subject of the thread: the petition to prevent Trump's state visit has reached 1 million signatures...

http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

I have not signed the petition , have you ?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I see the petition to not have Trump on a state visit has a lot of signatures.

Pity the moral compass of the same people did not stretch to the one trying to get the same for King Salman from good old Saudi Arabia. A country which, unlike the USA, beheads people for sorcery, where women are stoned to death for adultery and are banned from driving, where human rights defenders and government critics are imprisoned and suffer flogging and torture. A country from which thousands of migrants were simply kicked out, many to countries where they were at risk of serious human rights violations and where thousands of others have their passports removed and kept almost as slaves.

None of which happens in the USA, yet this petition gathered 400 signatures.

I agree with you. It just goes to show that the media highlights or sensationalises what they want. I wasn't even aware that a petition against the Saudi King's visit existed, otherwise I would have signed it and shared it amongst all the people I know - all of whom are anti-Saudi government.

Yet the petition against Trump is all over the media - even the Daily Mail, whose readers would presumably be very pro-Trump and anti-Muslim, is highlighting the petition against Trump. Probably for the same reason certain sections of the media highlight the words of Muslim extremists but not the condemnation of extremists by the Muslim community. Sensationalism for the purpose of publicity and sales and who cares about the truth or a balanced story.

ETA: JP - do you have a link to the petition against King Salman - when I Googled it, I got news about the petition against Trump?

[Stranger]

Remember, we must defend the honour of the Queen.

Imagine what might happen if she had to meet a elderly privileged foreign chap, whose children have no real jobs but hanging around and doing stuff their father doesn't want to do and who goes around offending almost everyone he comes across, especially the ("slitty-eyed") Chinese.

Yes the reason is a bit on the silly side - it should just say that he's an obnoxious, dishonest, racist, misogynist fool (or something like that).

[Gordon]

Moderator:

There has been a derail into theology, which is way off topic for this Board, so I'm going to remove these posts.

Those interested in these aspects of theology are free to start a thread on a more appropriate Board.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Given that Trump has temporarily banned people from Yemen, he should have a word with Theresa about Britain's foreign policy, now that the two of them have a special relationship. The EU Parliament voted to ban arms sales to Saudi back in early 2016 because of Saudi's intervention in Yemen and the ensuing carnage and human rights abuse. But the UK conveniently ignored the non-binding EU resolution and apparently "cashed in" on the carnage against civilians in Yemen. 

Figures reported by the Independent in January showed British arms firms cashing in on the conflict, with sales of bombs and missiles to the autocratic regime surging from £9 million to £1 billion in just three months last year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-export-embargo-european-parliament-eu-wide-arms-export-embargo-uk-a6895226.html

Peter Tatchell started a petition last year - one amongst many petitions started by concerned citizens - to halt UK arms sales to Saudi.

What seems to be happening is that the US arms itself and uses its military and economic power to interfere in other regions helped by its special friend, the UK, all in the name of national interest. This prompts other countries or militants in other countries to arm themselves against US intervention, everyone experiences blow-back and proxy wars, squeals and borders start closing. Meanwhile ordinary people on all sides are caught in the middle. Wonder where this latest tactic by Trump will lead, given Trump's support for the Saudi King (his citizens aren't banned despite protection against 9/11 terrorist incidents being used as one of the pretexts for this temporary ban), Trump wants to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and Trump apparently supports Israel building settlements on occupied Palestinian land.
 

[Udayana]

Inside the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty, on Ellis Island in the harbour of Donald Trump's home city, is a plaque bearing the following poem:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


I wonder if Donald Trump's command of English goes as far as understanding the meaning of:

 “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,"

Yeah ... but how many can fit on a small island?

[Gordon]

Moderator:

Just to note that the posts removed from here on theology have been used for a new thread to allow those involved to continue their discussion.

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=13319.0

[Rhiannon]

The discussion about petitions is an interesting one. Many thousands more signed one calling for Katie Hopkins to be sacked than called for a change in policy for rescuing refugees in the Med.

[wigginhall]

Gabriella wrote:

What seems to be happening is that the US arms itself and uses its military and economic power to interfere in other regions helped by its special friend, the UK, all in the name of national interest. This prompts other countries or militants in other countries to arm themselves against US intervention, everyone experiences blow-back and proxy wars, squeals and borders start closing. Meanwhile ordinary people on all sides are caught in the middle. Wonder where this latest tactic by Trump will lead, given Trump's support for the Saudi King (his citizens aren't banned despite protection against 9/11 terrorist incidents being used as one of the pretexts for this temporary ban), Trump wants to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and Trump apparently supports Israel building settlements on occupied Palestinian land.

Cynics are saying that Trump has exempted countries where he does business, e.g. Saudis, Pakistan.  I wondered also about Nigeria, where Boko Haram exist.   It's also said that the seven countries banned have never produced terrorism on US soil, although the US seems to have bombed most of them! 

It's possible also that is is a Muslim ban by token, since a total Muslim ban would be bad for business.