President Elect Trump

[Shaker]

Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.

[Udayana]

As I said, if it wasn't Europeans this was happening to you'd most likely be agreeing with me.

Some previously isolated tribal cultures need protection at certain points, otherwise they do risk being completely exterminated.  Europeans are hardly in that category. I should think they only way that they could even get anywhere near that is by choosing to cut off all contact and interaction with anyone outside some designated region. ie. set up for driving themselves towards extinction.

[wigginhall]

Kinder, Küche, Kirche, will purify the Aryan nation!

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

It's a myth that we need mass immigration. All it is is a means by which large corporations get workers who will work for peanuts. What needs to be done is to give more incentives to have children.

Lots of women don't like having more children - currently it causes all kinds of problems for your body and mental state - high blood pressure, diabetes, incontinence, tiredness, mood swings caused by hormones, you could die in childbirth - plus looking after children is really hard work especially if you are a single parent, plus parenting leaves you stressed and irritable especially if you are trying to maintain your financial independence by working in case your relationship with the co-parent breaks down , and there is huge media pressure to have a perfect body or you might get dumped or cheated on, which then adds to your pressure because looking good becomes very expensive....

What are these proposed incentives you speak of?

[Nearly Sane]

No no no, I didn't mean that - I meant that Christianity is a minority religion, so given that, how much longer can the C of E trade on past glories and continue to insist that it ought to keep its privileged position by being the established state church?

Mmm I'm not convinced there's a lot of 'insisting' going on. I suspect rather there isn't a lot of push for it to be disestablished. Given the split between it's establishment and the overall state, the fact most people do not see any great effect, and that it might be seen as an attack on the monarchy, still bizarrely popular, I think most people who might consider it see it as too much effort.

[Shaker]

Kinder, Küche, Kirche, will purify the Aryan nation!

That man hits the nail on the head again.

[Udayana]

Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.

You could use financial incentives to encourage more "Christian" children but the chances are that those children will reject religion just as the current generations are doing. Anyway, Trump certainly can't take that route.

[Walter]

Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.

have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help

[Shaker]

You could use financial incentives to encourage more "Christian" children but the chances are that those children will reject religion just as the current generations are doing.

Precisely. What will keep these "Christian" children "Christian" in 2037 if they're not in 2017? In the past Professor Davey has provided some interesting statistics in this area.

You could always pray for some sort of revival, I suppose.

[Nearly Sane]

Well I dunno. In this democratic new age where results don't matter when things don't go your way perhaps some lawyers can do a pro bono to try and redefine what a petition means. Not signing may mean you oppose it which in this case there is massive support for Trump to come. I mean, I want him to come but I have no way of getting it out to the nation other than to not sign it.

Or you could sign this one

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

[Shaker]

have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help

What does it mean for the future according to you and by what means do you claim to know this? Is it Tarot cards, tea leaves or everybody's favourite, the crystal ball?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Back to the baby machines, exactly as Gabriella predicted.

I am also curious about how he proposes to limit baby production to ethnic Europeans only doing the deed with ethnic Europeans. People keep jetting off on holiday or work to different parts of the world and connecting with people of a different ethnicity, finding common ground, shared values, falling in love....that includes Muslims changing cultural values as they are exposed to new cultures.

[Shaker]

I am also curious about how he proposes to limit baby production to ethnic Europeans only doing the deed with ethnic Europeans.

Perhaps we could introduce some sort of mass registration and controlled breeding scheme so that we only get the right kind of babies?

We could call it the Eurovision Bonk Contest. Get your end away for white Europe today.

[Udayana]

have a look at current birth rates of Muslims and non Muslims in England and what that means for the future
I'm not able to do it myself at the moment so would appreciate your help

Well, you can't just project from current birth rates, as the rates are bound to change.

[Walter]

What does it mean for the future according to you and by what means do you claim to know this? Is it Tarot cards, tea leaves or everybody's favourite, the crystal ball?

I'm not looking for an argument here , just trying to establish some facts about the matter as it stands now
Sorry , have to go now !

[Nearly Sane]

I'm not looking for an argument here , just trying to establish some facts about the matter as it stands now
Sorry , have to go now !

This is probably about as in depth as you'll get.

[SqueakyVoice]

Well, you can't just project from current birth rates, as the rates are bound to change.

As John O'Farrell(?) once put it, "A futurologist is someone who notes that in winter its cold in summer it's hot and that must mean that by Christmas the temperature will be so high that the seas will have boiled from the Earth."

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Perhaps we could introduce some sort of mass registration and controlled breeding scheme so that we only get the right kind of babies?

We could call it the Eurovision Bonk Contest. Get your end away for white Europe today.

I'm not sure that Ad-O is more hung-up about the colour or ethnicity than many other people. People in other communities put social pressure on young people to marry within their ethnicity so it's not any worse if Europeans want to do that too, but that does not stop people in all communities from marrying out of their religion, culture or ethnic background as the world becomes more closely connected and open to new perspectives.

If all the immigrants converted to Christianity.... maybe Ad-O would have less of a problem with the immigration issue, but presumably he would have a problem if they became Protestants?

His other main problem seems to be businesses exploiting cheap labour, which they do both in Europe and the US to try to compete with the likes of China and keep up with the demands of consumers for cheaper products. But banning Muslims won't fix the job losses caused by technology or off-shoring or hiring foreigners due to skills shortages in the domestic market.

I think that issue and the failure to enforce rule of law - seems to be behind Brexit and Trump. But given that countries and their leaders are not following the rule of law and are often seen behaving in a morally dubious way to protect national interests or their own self-interest, not really suprising that the people in the countries they govern also look after their own interests first and screw the law. As for skills shortages - the only way for people to get around that is to want to learn and to commit to it by putting in the hours.

[ad_orientem]

I'm not sure that Ad-O is more hung-up about the colour or ethnicity than many other people. People in other communities put social pressure on young people to marry within their ethnicity so it's not any worse if Europeans want to do that too, but that does not stop people in all communities from marrying out of their religion, culture or ethnic background as the world becomes more closely connected and open to new perspectives.

If all the immigrants converted to Christianity.... maybe Ad-O would have less of a problem with the immigration issue, but presumably he would have a problem if they became Protestants?

His other main problem seems to be businesses exploiting cheap labour, which they do both in Europe and the US to try to compete with the likes of China and keep up with the demands of consumers for cheaper products. But banning Muslims won't fix the job losses caused by technology or off-shoring or hiring foreigners due to skills shortages in the domestic market.

I think that issue and the failure to enforce rule of law - seems to be behind Brexit and Trump. But given that countries and their leaders are not following the rule of law and are often seen behaving in a morally dubious way to protect national interests or their own self-interest, not really suprising that the people in the countries they govern also look after their own interests first and screw the law. As for skills shortages - the only way for people to get around that is to want to learn and to commit to it by putting in the hours.

I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.

why are 'distinct people' so important to you?

[Rhiannon]

What even are 'distinct people'?

[SusanDoris]

No no no, I didn't mean that - I meant that Christianity is a minority religion, so given that, how much longer can the C of E trade on past glories and continue to insist that it ought to keep its privileged position by being the established state church?

I know what I'd like to see happen of course, but atheism as the majority is a very, very long way off, and in the meantime, from a practical, realistic  point of view an empty space left by the background culture here of CofE and others, is, with its more rational, liberal attitudes better than Islam, as far as I'm concerned.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I'm worried that we won't be a distinct people, culturally and ethnically. I gave the example of Sweden. It has nothing to do with superiority or any such thing. The current situarion, should it continue, is a death sentence to our people. Blood, sweat an tears.

There was a 30 year civil war in Sri Lanka, supposedly over precisely that - though it was hard to tell as the politicians, Buddhist monks, charismatic militants all got involved to whip up violent nationalism and it stopped being a debate and negotiation and turned very violent - quotas to maintain the ethnic majority's privilege rather than basing education and jobs on merit, suicide bombers committed to the cause etc

My mother was very non-violently committed to the idea of preserving cultural heritage but eventually she had to concede that it was impossible to control that or legislate for that - people were going to inter-marry, populations were going to fluctuate, people were going to adopt other cultures and religions as they were exposed to new ideas.

From my perspective as the member of a minority, I was slightly baffled by all the worry about offending minorities here in the UK - maybe those kind of ideas are where people should seek change rather than banning people, because my experience is the more you molly-coddle someone the more fragile they seem to get collectively. Maybe that's why previous generations of immigrants were more robust and prepared to integrate. I grew up here during the racism of the 70s - you just got on with it and tried to fit in, and people started giving you a chance once they got to know you.

My community takes the same view in terms of giving aid to Sri Lanka - certain communities in Sri Lanka seem to have developed a dependency culture that was never there before, so we stopped doing so much and told them 50% of the effort needed to come from them, despite the bombing, torture, deaths, living under the rule of militants, living under the rule of the army, rape, female sexual exploitation etc etc they had endured. As time passes and as the younger generation who didn't experience the war grow up, more and more people in those communities are starting to show enthusiasm for helping themselves, especially as their community are encouraging them because they want them to have a future.

[ad_orientem]

why are 'distinct people' so important to you?

It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.

[Shaker]

It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.

Funny; I'd have thought that by definition it increases it.