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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #300 on: January 31, 2017, 05:30:42 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.

Not sure what amount 'mass' is but I'd have thought immigration would involve increased diversity.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #301 on: January 31, 2017, 05:31:28 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
It's who we are, our fathers, the land we fought for and grew up in. It's sbout diversity. Mass immigration diminishes diversity.
The first part, why is that important? Why do you think fighting is good! And the second part is Newspeak.
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« Reply #302 on: January 31, 2017, 05:33:51 PM »
My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #303 on: January 31, 2017, 05:55:09 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 31, 2017, 05:33:51 PM
My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.
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ive just been tricked by accessing the link you provide at the foot of your posts . I thought it was ' women said'  not womens aid !

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #304 on: January 31, 2017, 05:55:38 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on January 31, 2017, 05:30:42 PM
Not sure what amount 'mass' is but I'd have thought immigration would involve increased diversity.

It diminishes diversity because there is no longer distinctness because everything has been mingled so much you can't recognise anything anymore. It's about identity.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #305 on: January 31, 2017, 05:57:24 PM »
I'm not insecure about identity - I've got mirrors in my house.

Perhaps it's just me but this conversation reminds me of that General in Doctor Strangelove who's always boring on about protecting the integrity of "our precious bodily fluids."
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #306 on: January 31, 2017, 06:03:52 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 31, 2017, 05:33:51 PM
My great uncle and his mates fought against a gang of blackshirts. They got a pasting but hey, they fought and won against the next lot of fascists they came up against. That's what I want their legacy to be - standing up to those who hate, not the preservation of some fantasy master race.

As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?

Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #307 on: January 31, 2017, 06:06:17 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:03:52 PM
As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?
Why can't they do that in a richly ethnically diverse melting-pot kind of society? Plenty of people seem to.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #308 on: January 31, 2017, 06:10:07 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on January 31, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
Why can't they do that in a richly ethnically diverse melting-pot kind of society? Plenty of people seem to.

Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
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« Reply #309 on: January 31, 2017, 06:12:25 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.

We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #310 on: January 31, 2017, 06:12:34 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
No, I don't see how. I certainly don't see it at work anywhere.

Besides, what's up with mingling?
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #311 on: January 31, 2017, 06:14:29 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 31, 2017, 06:12:25 PM
We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.

... on stilts. Genetically, socially, culturally, linguistically, we're all mongrels through and through, and always have been. And as any geneticist will be happy to tell you, that's a good thing.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #312 on: January 31, 2017, 06:25:36 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 31, 2017, 06:12:25 PM
We've always been 'mingled'. What utter nonsense.
Rhi
I love a good mingle and I would like to preserve my right to do it. Also I would like my daughters to be able to show off their beautiful hair as they see fit . As long as that remains the case I don't see a problem but I know people who don't agree with me.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #313 on: January 31, 2017, 06:27:11 PM »
Quote from: Walter on January 31, 2017, 06:25:36 PM
Rhi
I love a good mingle and I would like to preserve my right to do it. Also I would like my daughters to be able to show off their beautiful hair as they see fit . As long as that remains the case I don't see a problem but I know people who don't agree with me.
Who's in danger of preventing your daughters from wearing their hair as they wish?
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« Reply #314 on: January 31, 2017, 06:31:08 PM »
No one has ever asked me to cover my hair, regardless of who I've mingled with.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #315 on: January 31, 2017, 06:31:58 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
Because eveything becomes so mingled it becomes lost.
Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?

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« Reply #316 on: January 31, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on January 31, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?

'Everything', apparently. That'll be a big list then.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #317 on: January 31, 2017, 06:33:49 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on January 31, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Can you provide a list of what 'becomes lost?
1. The integrity of our precious bodily fluids.

2. Everything else.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #318 on: January 31, 2017, 06:36:49 PM »
I was going to add: we are all the richer for knowing and meeting many different people world-wide, but I left the question a simple one instead!
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« Reply #319 on: January 31, 2017, 06:39:57 PM »
Brilliant set of protest signs from Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38809265

Trump is a bigly eejit.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #320 on: January 31, 2017, 06:41:04 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on January 31, 2017, 06:36:49 PM
I was going to add: we are all the richer for knowing and meeting many different people world-wide, but I left the question a simple one instead!
SD
I think I'm a simple one!
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #321 on: January 31, 2017, 06:44:36 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on January 31, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
Brilliant set of protest signs from Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38809265

Trump is a bigly eejit.
laughed out loud ,thanks Rhi,
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #322 on: January 31, 2017, 07:23:18 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:03:52 PM
As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?

Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
That's a romantic notion - land of our forefathers etc - but does your country not have an ageing population that needs young tax paying workers to support them or a skills shortage or competition from cheap foreign goods? Given people are freely choosing to have kids later in life because they don't want the responsibility or having fewer kids, European leaders need an alternative policy to forcing ethnically European people to have more children and training them up to plug the gap - it's either immigrants or robots. I assume immigrants seemed a more feasible and cost-effective option.

What's your alternative proposal to immigrants and how do you propose to make it work and fund it?
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #323 on: January 31, 2017, 08:13:58 PM »
Obviously Scandinavians are really proud of their viking heritage, because of all the staying at home and weaving baskets they did.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #324 on: January 31, 2017, 08:22:48 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on January 31, 2017, 06:03:52 PM
As I ssid, it has nothing to do with superiority but remaining who we are, maintaining our identity as a people. Why can't Europeans be proud of who they are and where they're from?

Reverse colonialisn. Reverse racism.
'Who we are' in a cultural sense evolves - it always has done and it always will do. The suggestion that we can somehow ossify culture at one point in time and stop it continuing to evolve is like Cnut and the sea.
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