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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #350 on: February 03, 2017, 07:44:06 AM »
You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump.   It does sound like Pence, of course.

"Fake news" is like Fox News's "expert" announcing to the world that cities like Birmingham in the UK have been taken over by Muslims, and it's a no go zone for non Muslims.

I bet President trump likes Fox News, and I bet they like him.

What a combination!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/02/donald-trumps-pest-control-problem.html

Propaganda here we come.

Some Americans seem quite concerned that Donald Trump will use his position of power to suppress his critics and erode their freedoms.

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« Reply #351 on: February 03, 2017, 06:59:58 PM »
Simplistic answer, doesn't fix the problem now, and takes at least 18 years to produce a tax-paying worker. What are these incentives and more importantly, how do you fund these incentives? If you don't know, then what makes you think it can be done? Which is probably why the government went for the immigrant option, which definitely does work in terms of boosting the economy and generating tax revenue. 
Short term fix with long term consequences or unknown future parameters.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #352 on: February 03, 2017, 07:12:24 PM »
You have to watch out for fake news now, as there is a lot of it about, in relation to Trump.   It does sound like Pence, of course.
...and that's fake news.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #353 on: February 04, 2017, 07:29:04 AM »



Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US.  And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations.  Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public. 

Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.

 

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #354 on: February 04, 2017, 08:06:30 AM »


Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US.  And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations.  Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public. 

Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.

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The USA has quite an effect on the UK one way or another, USA is thought of as the leader of the free world none of the other countries you mention, come anywhere close.
So the ideology of the USA has far more significance in the uk than say China, Saudi Arabia or Russia.

the USA tends to be a leader in lots of things and very often it filters through to the uk, sooner or later.

They are influential, and often we tend to follow.

Therefore we tend to be concerned if we see developments we don't like, after all if Donald Trump starts some war, the chances are the uk will get dragged into it.

Just seen a news report on the BBC where a BBC reporter asked him some questions and his response was about it damaging the special relationship between us.

He is unable to take any criticism, and he's vindictive, and frankly doesn't seem to have much sense.

I have heard people say, not being a politician, he is refreshingly honest giving it as he sees it.

He's too much of a dictator for my liking.

Probably because he is used to business where you do what the boss says, or you are out.

He gives me the heebi jeebies.

 

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #355 on: February 04, 2017, 09:37:48 AM »


Its amazing the extent to which people the world over see themselves in one way or the other, as dependent on the US.  And also the extent to which most people expect the US to conform to their specific requirements and aspirations.  Its almost as if the US is not a sovereign state but some common playground that has suddenly been closed to the public. 

Other countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia are also large economies that trade and interact with other countries, but no one takes these countries for granted or expects their internal policies to fall in line with the aspirations of people the world over.

The whole world is our playground and no-one is going to want another bully and his gang carve off another massive area for use as their own fiefdom.
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« Reply #356 on: February 04, 2017, 06:36:05 PM »
Even the President of the USA is bound by the law, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38868571
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« Reply #357 on: February 04, 2017, 08:55:32 PM »
Even the President of the USA is bound by the law, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38868571

Sounds like he's not going down without a fight though.

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« Reply #358 on: February 05, 2017, 09:31:11 AM »
 Even with his order in force there was a lot of confusion, including British citizens with valid documentation being refused boarding because of racial/ethnic profiling and such. Different airlines applying different rules. Who knows what was happening on entry after landing - which has always been inconsistent anyway?

As Trump causes chaos, through incompetence, he will turn to to more and more authoritarian measures to enforce his failing plans.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #359 on: February 05, 2017, 09:57:44 AM »
I suspect that one reason Trump didn't go for a total Muslim ban, was that it could have unforeseen consequences in terms of the economy and of course political relations.  He has picked 7 relatively poor countries, but if he had included the Saudis, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia, who knows what would ensue?  All kinds of retaliations, sanctions, trade war?  He has enough rationality to realize this (well, I am guessing really).
He didn't go for a total Muslim ban because that would have been illegal under the US cinstitution. He's given his ban the illusion that it wasn't about religion.

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« Reply #360 on: February 05, 2017, 01:33:38 PM »
I am glad the US federal court has rejected Trump's demand to have the travel ban reinstated.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #361 on: February 05, 2017, 09:24:22 PM »
Even with his order in force there was a lot of confusion, including British citizens with valid documentation being refused boarding because of racial/ethnic profiling and such. Different airlines applying different rules. Who knows what was happening on entry after landing - which has always been inconsistent anyway?

As Trump causes chaos, through incompetence, he will turn to to more and more authoritarian measures to enforce his failing plans.
He can try but as we have seen there are checks and balances which restrict the scope of the President.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #362 on: February 06, 2017, 09:38:17 AM »
Dear Sane,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/88778653/scathing-donald-trump-poem-wins-new-zealand-competition

Brilliant, am I right in thinking it is very Burns like?

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« Reply #363 on: February 06, 2017, 06:00:49 PM »
The Speaker of the House of Commons doesn't want Trump to address Parliament, and who can blame him!

John Bercow has given a very measured statement to the House. It is now up to MPs to heed his words.

I suspect that Mrs May wants to be seen as being "in control" of events and is pushing for activity which will make her seem to be decisive and purposeful (hence Article 50 by the end of March etc). I think that she went to Washington far too soon and suggested too much far too soon.

Mr Trump promised to uphold the Constitution of the USA a couple of weeks ago. The Constitution is now being used to temper his excesses. Let's wait until we have an idea of just how competent a president - and a politician - he really is before pretending he is someone worth respecting.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #364 on: February 08, 2017, 07:47:21 PM »
Re: Nordstroms.

The power of the American presidency turned against a retailer for declining to enrich one of the president’s daughters (Ivanka)

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« Reply #365 on: February 09, 2017, 08:32:54 AM »
I suppose that in such a litigious culture as that of the USA, that Nordstroms might consider taking some action.
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #366 on: February 09, 2017, 09:16:17 AM »
This is the view of one of his top advisors ...... http://tinyurl.com/ha5omub

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #367 on: February 09, 2017, 03:58:08 PM »


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.

Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #368 on: February 09, 2017, 04:06:05 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.

Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.

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« Reply #369 on: February 09, 2017, 05:55:03 PM »
Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.

CNN need to do their homework: Farage isn't actually the leader of the Very Nasty Party (aka UKIP) any more.

Does remind me though (can't think why) of when the BBC's Norman Smith called Farage's UKIP a "personality cunt"...
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« Reply #370 on: February 09, 2017, 06:07:03 PM »
Ekim

Thank you for that article. I recall that one Karl Marx believed that "history" was subject to "laws" as though it were a science. I assume that Mr Trump, having appointed Steve Bannon supports these views - his rejection of the scientific evidence for man-made global warming does not suggest an entirely rational approach to theoretical information.

Perhaps he will declare a nuclear war and make immediate pre-emptive strikes on his supposed enemies in his assumed role as the Grey Champion.

Be prepared for all good Tory MPs to support the Grey Champion.
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« Reply #371 on: February 09, 2017, 06:11:14 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

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'Our people first:' Trump's travel ban finds fans in Europe.

Many in Britain have condemned Trump's ban, which prompted protests across the country, but Nigel Farage -- the leader of the UK Independence Party and a leading figure in the Brexit campaign -- has welcomed the order.

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The real problem here isn't necessarily the 'ban', as it could be technically shown to be prudent, but the cack handed way in which it was done which would disgrace and shame even the fumbling's of a sixth form student. The guys an incompetent idiot.

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« Reply #372 on: February 09, 2017, 06:14:10 PM »
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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #373 on: February 09, 2017, 08:13:49 PM »
TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
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« Reply #374 on: February 09, 2017, 08:39:35 PM »
TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump.
We know that they didn't want Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million


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If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.
So far he's filled most of the executive posts with people who do not know what they are doing. He's caused diplomatic incidents with five countries, including a threat to invade Mexico. He instituted a badly thought out travel ban which has caused chaos. He's dismantled the ACA which will leave millions without healthcare cover. He's going to dismantle the EPA because who needs clean drinking water? He's been caught lying several times including claiming violent crime is at a 47 year high and that the media do not report terrorist incidents. He's using the office of the president to influence business decisions relating to his daughter.

Sorry Sassy but only a fucking idiot would cut Trump any slack at this time.
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