President Elect Trump

[Nearly Sane]

Trump's EU ambassador - head of a non existent body



http://www.scotsman.com/news/trump-s-eu-ambassador-pick-was-head-of-non-existent-scots-body-1-4362740

[jeremyp]

Trump's EU ambassador - head of a non existent body



http://www.scotsman.com/news/trump-s-eu-ambassador-pick-was-head-of-non-existent-scots-body-1-4362740

So they are going to send a congenital liar to be EU ambassador. Why am I not surprised.

[Nearly Sane]

Just incredible


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38925753

[Nearly Sane]

'I am the evidence'  - some Scottish comments on Trump - NSFW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pbTmXsfiYk

[floo]

TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.

OMG that would probably lead to WW3 the man is insane!

[Stranger]

'I am the evidence'  - some Scottish comments on Trump - NSFW
...

 

[Jack Knave]

Just incredible


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38925753

You have to laugh at the stupidity of it all. This is more like playground antics than top leaders of the world.

[ProfessorDavey]

TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.

Why on earth should they get behind Trump when 3 million more of them voted for the other candidate.

Sure he won the election via the electoral college rules, but he lacks legitimacy. That coupled with his appalling views and clear inability to understand the office he now holds mean that it is quite right that people in the USA aren't behind him - indeed he should be treated with derision as he is rapidly bring the office he holds (arguably the most important on the planet) into disrepute.

[Jack Knave]

TRUMP If the Country do not get behind their president they leave themselves wide open to the worse attacks and failures in their countries history.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE here, has the information required to make an informed decision as to why America wanted Trump. Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power. If that Country divides it will fall. Whatever disagreements they need to let Trump do what the people voted him to do.

I would say it is already divided just that the full implications of this have not been made manifest yet.

[ProfessorDavey]

Make no mistake, the Countries People voted this man into power.

No they didn't - the electoral college did.

The Countries [sic] people actually voted as follows:

Hilary Clinton - 65,853,625
Donald Trump - 62,985,106

I make that that the Country's people voted for Clinton, not Trump.

[Sassy]

We know that they didn't want Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million

TRUMP won this election he is president of the united states of America.

So far he's filled most of the executive posts with people who do not know what they are doing.

Your opinion does not mean anything in the great scheme of things. What is it they don't know what they are doing? You should not repeat things which you cannot prove or even give a satisfactory answer to.  They are in and they know what needs to be done.

He's caused diplomatic incidents with five countries, including a threat to invade Mexico. He instituted a badly thought out travel ban which has caused chaos.

Diplomatic incidents with five countries. You mean he scared the crap out of those countries? As for invading Mexico the idea is to keep drugs out of America as well as the bad element of Mexican criminals. The travel ban was about the safety of the American people. From Terrorism which those countries supported one way or another. As President of the USA it is constitutional for him to do things which protect the people he represents.

He's dismantled the ACA which will leave millions without healthcare cover.

Is he not providing a better replacement?

He's going to dismantle the EPA because who needs clean drinking water?

Enviromental protection agency??? You really believe he is going to get rid of clean water?

He's been caught lying several times including claiming violent crime is at a 47 year high and that the media do not report terrorist incidents.

The Media not reporting it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Do you have point? Not caught lying it requires proof. Surely the President of the USA KNOWS more about his own Country than you do?

He's using the office of the president to influence business decisions relating to his daughter.

Don't make me laugh. A store cancelled his daughters collection.  Surely you don't cause that influencing his daughters business...


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Sorry Sassy but only a fucking idiot would cut Trump any slack at this time.
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So most the USA people are idiots and you a British Citizen have the right to tell the American people they are idiots when it is their Country and their President?

I disagree on what you say constitutes an idiot.

[Sassy]

Why on earth should they get behind Trump when 3 million more of them voted for the other candidate.

Sure he won the election via the electoral college rules, but he lacks legitimacy. That coupled with his appalling views and clear inability to understand the office he now holds mean that it is quite right that people in the USA aren't behind him - indeed he should be treated with derision as he is rapidly bring the office he holds (arguably the most important on the planet) into disrepute.

Having watched the news on completely different news channels it has been proved there was no cheating in the votes. Need to move on and see no rigged elections.
The crowds were actually paid well before the results of the elections.  How do I know. I watch the news channels from America and those which show that this was the very party Clinton lead who is behind all this trouble. You can hold on to your unrealistic information but it does you no good as the world and America know Trump did nothing wrong. It is Clintons party causing this trouble. SORE LOSERS.

[Sassy]

I would say it is already divided just that the full implications of this have not been made manifest yet.

It isn't fully divided... It is the Clinton fall out that is really making things worse for themselves and stopping any future chance of a woman getting into power.

Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.

[Sassy]

No they didn't - the electoral college did.

The Countries [sic] people actually voted as follows:

Hilary Clinton - 65,853,625
Donald Trump - 62,985,106

I make that that the Country's people voted for Clinton, not Trump.

He won 276 he needed only 270 to win.  But you deliberately misrepresent what does not count when it comes to a presidential election. Why is that?

[ProfessorDavey]

He won 276 he needed only 270 to win.  But you deliberately misrepresent what does not count when it comes to a presidential election. Why is that?

You didn't say that the electoral college voted this man into power, you said that the Countries People voted this man into power.

The former is correct - the latter isn't because clearly, by a margin of 3 million votes the  the Country's People voted voted for Clinton.

I fully accept that under the rules of the election he won, however it isn't correct to imply that he won the popular vote - he didn't, by a considerable margin.

[ProfessorDavey]

Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.

But you can't have it both ways:

The Breixt vote provided a 4% winning margin in the popular vote for leave, the US presidential election provided a 4% margin in the popular vote for Clinton.

So equating the two is deeply muddled thinking.

But there is a further point - that in a democratic society you are required to roll over if a vote goes against you, simply shut up and stop opposing. Quite the reverse, it is perfectly acceptable in a democratic society to continue to disagree with the policies of the winner even after then won. That was most oppositions do, and in a proper democratic system they will get an opportunity, un due course to overturn that result if they win the argument. So in the US presidential election that opportunity will come in 2020, in the case of Brexit it will come in ... err - hmm.

[Rhiannon]

A look at the under reporting of terrorism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/07/white-house-list-donald-trumps-undereported-terror-list-paris-attacks-berlin-truck-killings

[ProfessorDavey]

Having watched the news on completely different news channels it has been proved there was no cheating in the votes. Need to move on and see no rigged elections.

Where did I ever say there was cheating in the vote - I didn't.

What I said was that Trump lost the popular vote by a significant margin, and that although under the electoral college rules he won, he will aways have a problem justifying his mandate. And in that respect he will be like all other Presidents who won the election but lost the popular vote. But he stands out because his losing margin in the popular vote is unprecedented for a winning president.

The crowds were actually paid well before the results of the elections.

What are you on about - what crowds? paid what?, by whom?

[Harrowby Hall]

 You should not repeat things which you cannot prove or even give a satisfactory answer to. 

This is excellent advice, Sassy. You should be congratulated for stating it.

Now, why don't you follow it yourself and stop making yourself appear to be foolish?

[SusanDoris]

On Radio 4 yesterday  can't remember which programme - apparently the Trump tweet about the danger to America was written entirely in capital letters.

[Sebastian Toe]

On Radio 4 yesterday  can't remember which programme - apparently the Trump tweet about the danger to America was written entirely in capital letters.

Has he been taking lessons from Sassy?

[Jack Knave]

It isn't fully divided... It is the Clinton fall out that is really making things worse for themselves and stopping any future chance of a woman getting into power.

Just stupidity for a few like here with the Brexit who cannot accept a democratic vote that does not their way.

Don't understand your reference to women being in power, I was talking on general terms.

[Jack Knave]

But you can't have it both ways:

The Breixt vote provided a 4% winning margin in the popular vote for leave, the US presidential election provided a 4% margin in the popular vote for Clinton.

So equating the two is deeply muddled thinking.

But there is a further point - that in a democratic society you are required to roll over if a vote goes against you, simply shut up and stop opposing. Quite the reverse, it is perfectly acceptable in a democratic society to continue to disagree with the policies of the winner even after then won. That was most oppositions do, and in a proper democratic system they will get an opportunity, un due course to overturn that result if they win the argument. So in the US presidential election that opportunity will come in 2020, in the case of Brexit it will come in ... err - hmm.

Given the loathing of Trump in America and the fact of the popular vote outcome there this could harbinger some very interesting future events, especially as the people are vey willing to go out and protest, and that the other US institutions are willing to use all their means to challenge this guy.

[Nearly Sane]

Emo Trump


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CopDK_jI6DI

[Sassy]

You didn't say that the electoral college voted this man into power, you said that the Countries People voted this man into power.

The former is correct - the latter isn't because clearly, by a margin of 3 million votes the  the Country's People voted voted for Clinton.

I fully accept that under the rules of the election he won, however it isn't correct to imply that he won the popular vote - he didn't, by a considerable margin.

Who voted for the 276?  What made his victory sure was what the USA had allowed and could easily have been Hilary. It isn't the total number of votes but the fact the way they calculate and the individual rules which got him into power. He was still voted in by the voting system whichever way you look at it.  And a free hundred people paid to protest is hardly ACCEPTABLE by any standard. To win by fair means is acceptable to try and prevent it by foul means is not acceptable.

How many people in the USA?  2016   324,118,787  How many votes actually cast? How many homeless people and others who did not get a vote because they had no home?  You see the reality is that not all the people voted and some who would have voted could not and others were illegal or legal aliens and could not vote.  You see whatever the total number of voted TRUMP still won by the means allowed so all this arguing about actual votes is useless.