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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #425 on: February 17, 2017, 05:12:53 AM »


Trump says that Russia and the US are  major nuclear powers and should be friends.  Makes perfect sense to me.

US people (the west in general) have been paranoid about Russia  for decades just because they don't believe in a capitalistic model.  I think it is time to end that paranoia and become friends.

Trump is not all bad it seems. He thinks like a common man...which could have its pluses. 

Most professional politicians get trained to watch their backs all the time. Trump seems to be different! He thinks laterally. Not bad!

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #426 on: February 17, 2017, 08:19:32 AM »
Brexit has already been decided by the peoples vote.

So any MP representing the Countries system should have photed for the Brexit.
This shows ignorance of the system of parliamentary democracy in this country.

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« Reply #427 on: February 17, 2017, 09:31:19 AM »
Trump's mental health debate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38991171

Seems that some professionals are openly questioning his mental health. Some suggesting that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Others disagree...

Dr Allen Frances, who helped write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV, one of the main key manuals used to classify mental disorders, said that "most amateur diagnosticians have mislabelled" Mr Trump with the diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder".

"He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn't make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder."

He added: "Mr Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy.

"It is a stigmatising insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr Trump (who is neither).


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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #428 on: February 17, 2017, 09:54:28 AM »
This shows ignorance of the system of parliamentary democracy in this country.
Indeed it does.

And I think I am correct in saying that 649 out of the 650 MPs were voted in in the 2015 General Election representing parties whose manifesto commitment was to remain in the EU.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #429 on: February 17, 2017, 02:56:40 PM »
Trump's mental health debate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38991171

Seems that some professionals are openly questioning his mental health. Some suggesting that he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Others disagree...

Dr Allen Frances, who helped write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV, one of the main key manuals used to classify mental disorders, said that "most amateur diagnosticians have mislabelled" Mr Trump with the diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder".

"He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn't make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder."

He added: "Mr Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy.

"It is a stigmatising insult to the mentally ill (who are mostly well behaved and well meaning) to be lumped with Mr Trump (who is neither).



If Trump had been mentally ill the professionals in his life would have noticed it long before today.
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« Reply #430 on: February 17, 2017, 03:05:33 PM »
That sounds mighty dodgy to me.  :o
Does indeed - from what I can see this scheme only supports people in need ... if they are Christians - how very charitable ... NOT.

So it is kind of 'from each according to their ability to pay, to each according to their need (provided they are Christians, and if not we don't give a damn)'.

I rather prefer our tax and welfare system which provides according to need irrespective of religion or lack thereof. Far more ethical.
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« Reply #431 on: February 17, 2017, 03:20:14 PM »
So would any decent person, imo.
Agreed.

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« Reply #432 on: February 17, 2017, 04:13:42 PM »
Indeed it does.

And I think I am correct in saying that 649 out of the 650 MPs were voted in in the 2015 General Election representing parties whose manifesto commitment was to remain in the EU.
Besides the point. Parliament voted for the referendum.

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« Reply #433 on: February 17, 2017, 04:20:35 PM »
Besides the point. Parliament voted for the referendum.
Not decide the point at all - and don't forget that parliament voted for an advisory referendum - they could have voted for a binding one, but they didn't.

MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election, which (as I've pointed out) in 649 out of 650 cases involved remaining in the EU.

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« Reply #434 on: February 17, 2017, 04:30:57 PM »
Not decide the point at all - and don't forget that parliament voted for an advisory referendum - they could have voted for a binding one, but they didn't.

MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election, which (as I've pointed out) in 649 out of 650 cases involved remaining in the EU.
So are you telling me that every voter reads all the manifestos, cogitating on every point presented therein, and decides on how to vote? What do they do if they only agree with some of the issues in each of the manifestos? Oh yes, that right, they weigh up the pros and cons and vote for the best fit - if they actually read them. So your claim above is bollocks.....and, oh yes, we had a referendum specifically on this point about Brexit which clarified the matter.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #435 on: February 17, 2017, 05:41:27 PM »
Trump lies and is caught out and lies



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZhxgz5yJU

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #436 on: February 17, 2017, 06:22:34 PM »
Stephen Colbert"s take on the press conference



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8BXFfZCWEA
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« Reply #437 on: February 17, 2017, 07:01:42 PM »
So are you telling me that every voter reads all the manifestos, cogitating on every point presented therein, and decides on how to vote? What do they do if they only agree with some of the issues in each of the manifestos? Oh yes, that right, they weigh up the pros and cons and vote for the best fit - if they actually read them. So your claim above is bollocks.....and, oh yes, we had a referendum specifically on this point about Brexit which clarified the matter.
Where did I ever say that every voter read every word of each manifesto. I didn't. What I said is that 'MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election' - and that is true, and it doesn't matter whether or not the voters have actually read the manifesto, MPs gain their authority from being elected as the candidate of a party and  on a platform (i.e. the manifesto of that party).

And while we are on the topic do you think that the voters in the referendum read everything provided from each side or do you think in many cases it was just a 'gut feeling' or a hunch, or believing what it said on the side of a bus.

And the referendum hasn't clarified the matter - if it had there wouldn't be any debate about the type of Brexit. The referendum has clarified nothing and created more uncertainty and lack of clarity than we have seen in this country for decades.

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« Reply #438 on: February 18, 2017, 02:28:39 PM »
John Oliver on Trump and the truth: 'a pathological liar'
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/13/john-oliver-trump-relationship-truth-last-week-tonight

The full video (second one on the page) is well worth a watch.
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« Reply #439 on: February 18, 2017, 06:24:39 PM »
Where did I ever say that every voter read every word of each manifesto. I didn't. What I said is that 'MPs gain their authority from the personal vote they receive in their constituencies and the party manifesto they stood on in that election' - and that is true, and it doesn't matter whether or not the voters have actually read the manifesto, MPs gain their authority from being elected as the candidate of a party and  on a platform (i.e. the manifesto of that party).

And while we are on the topic do you think that the voters in the referendum read everything provided from each side or do you think in many cases it was just a 'gut feeling' or a hunch, or believing what it said on the side of a bus.

And the referendum hasn't clarified the matter - if it had there wouldn't be any debate about the type of Brexit. The referendum has clarified nothing and created more uncertainty and lack of clarity than we have seen in this country for decades.
What the voters read or did not read in any vote is besides the point. The general elections and referendum were done on the same available information basis. So the referendum trumps the 2015 election on this matter of Brexit, as it came later.

There is only debate on this because the whinging Remoaner are too spinless to accept the result, that's all. The type of Brexit was clear at the referendum. Control back to the UK, which means, besides other things, no membership of the Single market and out of the Tariff Union.

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« Reply #440 on: February 19, 2017, 10:01:39 AM »
That was not clear at all, even if it is a good idea, which I doubt. Many people only heard the unpleasant siren voices which suggested voting out would stop migrants coming to the UK.

And don't forget the £350 million for the NHS. Which is currently undergoing it's worst financial crisis. Ever.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #441 on: February 19, 2017, 10:41:22 AM »
A politician being economic with the truth - that must be a first.
How can something so perfect be so flawed.


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« Reply #444 on: February 19, 2017, 11:16:03 AM »
I hope that becomes a fact.

Yeah. President Pence isn't a great option but at least he's reasonably stable.

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Re: President Elect Trump
« Reply #445 on: February 19, 2017, 11:32:50 AM »

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« Reply #446 on: February 20, 2017, 05:11:23 PM »
That was not clear at all, even if it is a good idea, which I doubt. Many people only heard the unpleasant siren voices which suggested voting out would stop migrants coming to the UK.
The difference between what they heard and what they had access to, on the TV etc., is besides the point, the argument put forward by the leave campaign was what was on offer if we voted to leave. Therefore, that was and is the mandate for our leaving.

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« Reply #447 on: February 20, 2017, 05:14:59 PM »
And don't forget the £350 million for the NHS. Which is currently undergoing it's worst financial crisis. Ever.
We haven't left yet and are still paying into that shit hole the EU.

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« Reply #448 on: February 20, 2017, 05:18:47 PM »
I forgot that promise 'Farage' made in jest! ::)
Your memory is as crap as your arguments. Farage and UKIP never made it, it was the official leave group that made that promise.

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« Reply #449 on: February 20, 2017, 05:51:56 PM »
I heard Farage promise it, and then backtrack on that promise.
Yeah right, you're so good at that gossip, Floo!!!