Former President Trump

[jeremyp]

We're discussing hypotheticals. I haven't diagnosed anything either. Hypothetically, if Trump as a personality disorder, then that will prevent him from making rational decisions.

He wasn't voted in to make rational decisions, he was voted in to make the decisions that the people who voted for him want.

For example, there's nothing rational about supporting the American coal industry. Coal's time is past. However, Trump's promise to rejuvenate it was key to him winning the election.

The difficulty would be that it might look as though he was doing his job, just screwing it up, when in reality he would never be mentally capable of doing his job at all.

If Trump is mentally compromised to the point that he is unable to perform his duties, then article 25 should be invoked. However, we don't know if he is or not. What the USA needs is a way to get rid of a president before his or her term is up if they are really just very bad at their job. This is why I was interested to know if LR has any ideas how it might be done, but it turns out she doesn't.

Most US state governors can be fired before the end of their term by means of a recall vote. Perhaps something similar needs to be instituted for the president.

[Rhiannon]

He wasn't voted in to make rational decisions, he was voted in to make the decisions that the people who voted for him want.

For example, there's nothing rational about supporting the American coal industry. Coal's time is past. However, Trump's promise to rejuvenate it was key to him winning the election.

If Trump is mentally compromised to the point that he is unable to perform his duties, then article 25 should be invoked. However, we don't know if he is or not. What the USA needs is a way to get rid of a president before his or her term is up if they are really just very bad at their job. This is why I was interested to know if LR has any ideas how it might be done, but it turns out she doesn't.

Most US state governors can be fired before the end of their term by means of a recall vote. Perhaps something similar needs to be instituted for the president.

The thing about personality disorders is that they can be devastatingly hard to spot. It takes a forensic psychotherapist or psychiatrist a minimum of 25 hrs working with someone, and even then they make mask it (as an aside, family courts allocate three hours maximum by non-specialists for this work to be carried out. But I digress).

We can see someone with narcissistic tendencies at work. Does that make him personality disordered? I don't know.

I like the recall idea.

[Roses]

The thing about personality disorders is that they can be devastatingly hard to spot. It takes a forensic psychotherapist or psychiatrist a minimum of 25 hrs working with someone, and even then they make mask it (as an aside, family courts allocate three hours maximum by non-specialists for this work to be carried out. But I digress).

We can see someone with narcissistic tendencies at work. Does that make him personality disordered? I don't know.

I like the recall idea.

If I remember rightly, Trump's physician commented on his physical health, when he was standing for office, but there was no mention of his mental health.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/trump-almost-sent-tweet-north-korea-imminent-attack

[Sassy]

Personality disorder or Multiple personalities disorder?

I don't believe Trump has the latter and I do not believe he has any kind of personality disorder.
To become the business icon he is, he has to have been dedicated and very forcefull in his business tactics.

As a president the world of business has made him who he is and have placed him where they want him.
Economically, Trump is where he is because that is where the big wigs in economy want him.
A book was published some years ago foretelling his rise to the president of the USA.

Trump did not come from the back ground that politicians normally rise up from. He is outside the field of the in-crowd.
He is playing in a play ground where he was not welcome.

The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.
What do you think that means for all of us who have no say in this matter? Does our intelligence and our back ground in business and politics really match those who put him there?

[Aruntraveller]

God chose a pussy grabber and a serial adulterer and a liar?

Wow, great judge of character your God.

[Rhiannon]

God chose a pussy grabber and a serial adulterer and a liar?

Wow, great judge of character your God.

He's chosen some interesting people over the years, hasn't he?

[SteveH]

Personality disorder or Multiple personalities disorder?

I don't believe Trump has the latter and I do not believe he has any kind of personality disorder.
To become the business icon he is, he has to have been dedicated and very forcefull in his business tactics.

As a president the world of business has made him who he is and have placed him where they want him.
Economically, Trump is where he is because that is where the big wigs in economy want him.
A book was published some years ago foretelling his rise to the president of the USA.

Trump did not come from the back ground that politicians normally rise up from. He is outside the field of the in-crowd.
He is playing in a play ground where he was not welcome.

The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.
What do you think that means for all of us who have no say in this matter? Does our intelligence and our back ground in business and politics really match those who put him there?

Many highly successful businessmen, like Trump, are psychopaths, and that is a personality disorder. So is narcissism, which is also compatible with being very successful. I think Trump is both.

[Roses]

Trump definitely has a personality disorder of some sort, but because he tells the extreme right wing mob what they wish to hear, they will continue to support him.

[jeremyp]

The powers that be and the Almighty power chose him to be where he is.

Vladimir Putin is God? Never knew that.

[Rhiannon]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal

[Roses]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal

One can only hope they will find some way of getting rid of Trump.

[jeremyp]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/16/impeachment-trump-manafort-robert-mueller-deal

I don't think they'll find a way to pin anything on Trump himself.

[Rhiannon]

I don't think they'll find a way to pin anything on Trump himself.

It's like watching a box set.

[ekim]

An interesting article..... https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAAr8Bq?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare

[Roses]

An interesting article..... https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAAr8Bq?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare

Without the help of the Kremlin I doubt Trump would have become President. 

[ad_orientem]

Without the help of the Kremlin I doubt Trump would have become President. 

Even if that was true, and I'm not saying it is, then it's only what the Americans have done for donkeys years. Now they have the buffoon they deserve. Trump won not because of the Russians but because Clinton had no interest in appealing to American working class, plus that she's a warmonger.

[Gordon]

Every time I think of Trump I now envisage a survivor from the Devonian comprising a primitive brain that supports a large ego and an alimentary canal with an arsehole at both ends.

[Aruntraveller]

plus that she's a warmonger.

That has never  been a negative in US politics, unless your name is Susan Sarandon.

[Roses]

Every time I think of Trump I now envisage a survivor from the Devonian comprising a primitive brain that supports a large ego and an alimentary canal with an arsehole at both ends.

I think that might be doing the Devonian period an injustice! More likely Trump is a one off mutant, deposited by an alien spaceship dumping its garbage.

[ad_orientem]

And Trump isn't a warmonger?

What wars has he started?

[Aruntraveller]

What wars has he started?

Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations. It's what the US does, to that extent I don't think Trump is any more or less guilty than his predecessors, what is more worrying is his sheer unpredictability and apparent lack of knowledge on geo-political situations.

(PS I don't even know why I used the word "apparent" there!)

[Roses]

What wars has he started?

The idiot was threatening to nuke North Korea.

[ad_orientem]

Give him time. And he's still carrying on the ones started by previous administrations. It's what the US does, to that extent I don't think Trump is any more or less guilty than his predecessors, what is more worrying is his sheer unpredictability and apparent lack of knowledge on geo-political situations.

(PS I don't even know why I used the word "apparent" there!)

Trump is an arse and there's not much I would disagree with there.

[jeremyp]

That has never  been a negative in US politics, unless your name is Susan Sarandon.

Actually, it has been a negative but only for Democrats.