President Elect Trump

[Nearly Sane]

True, but of course I was referring to the apes.

And he and you are apes too

[Roses]

And he and you are apes too

No wonder I am covered in black hair!

[Walter]

No wonder I am covered in black hair!

omg ! the mental  imagery is becoming terrifying

[Roses]

omg ! the mental  imagery is becoming terrifying

I assure you the reality is even more terrifying!

[Walter]

I assure you the reality is even more terrifying!

I won't sleep tonight

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48458780

Trump attacks Robert Mueller!

[jeremyp]

And he and you are apes too

It’s pretty obvious that LR was referring to non human primates and/or apes.

Disclaimer: if you hadn’t got in first I was going to post more or less the exact same comments as you did.

[jeremyp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48458780

Trump attacks Robert Mueller!

I don’t know what’s going on but that story is currently one about the world’s smallest surviving premature baby. (I like the way they thought it necessary to pixelate her genitals)

The story you really want is now here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48461356

[Roses]

I don’t know what’s going on but that story is currently one about the world’s smallest surviving premature baby. (I like the way they thought it necessary to pixelate her genitals)

The story you really want is now here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48461356

I humbly apologise,  :-[I should have checked, having posted about that baby on another thread. I feel bad about that heart warning story being put on a heart destroying thread about that dangerous joke in the White House!

[Udayana]

I'm worried for the Queen ... Trump could just plonk himself down in the wrong place and accidentally crush or obliterate her!

[Roses]

I'm worried for the Queen ... Trump could just plonk himself down in the wrong place and accidentally crush or obliterate her!

Then Trump would be taken to the Tower and, 'Off with his head'. Now that would be worth watching.

[SteveH]

I tried writing a poem about Donald Trump's state visit, but I had to give up. I couldn't think of a rhyme for "Ivanka".

[Gordon]

I tried writing a poem about Donald Trump's state visit, but I had to give up. I couldn't think of a rhyme for "Ivanka".

How about 'I thank ya'? (done in your best Jimmy Durante prose)

[Christine]

I've stopped listening to R4 Today because of the naked pro-Conservative, anti-Corbyn bias displayed, particularly by Robinson and Humphrys (Humphrys appears to do no research into any subject at all, I hope he doesn't describe himself as a journalist on his passport).  So I check Twitter, just to make sure war hasn't been declared while I was asleep.

This morning I saw a Nuremberg-style rally with a mob chanting "send her back" about an American member of congress, who in my innocence I would have described as the epitome of the "American Dream".  The mob was encouraged by the President of the United States, who looked pleased.

I was frightened; it's hard to imagine how women in headscarves feel walking around US cities today.  What should sane, reasonable people have done in the early 30s in Germany?  What should I do now? Apart from feel upset and helpless, which is quickly becoming normal.

[Nearly Sane]

I am always dubious about claims of bias. I don't think Robinson is. I honestly don't know what Humphreys is but the 'Send her back' chant is both racist and misogynist.

[Christine]

I am always dubious about claims of bias. I don't think Robinson is. I honestly don't know what Humphreys is but the 'Send her back' chant is both racist and misogynist.

I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory.  I say naked bias because it was so obvious.  Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes.  And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off.  Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?"  You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line.  Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff.  And Rod Liddle used to be the editor!  Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat.  The man is pinching a living.

Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying.  The 2nd World War is still within living memory. 

I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.

My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope.  His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.

[jeremyp]

I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory.  I say naked bias because it was so obvious.  Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes.  And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off.  Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?"  You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line.  Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff.  And Rod Liddle used to be the editor!  Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat.  The man is pinching a living.

Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying.  The 2nd World War is still within living memory. 

I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.

My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope.  His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.

I don’t think Trump is a racist in the conventional sense of the word. I don’t think he cares about anybody except himself. He made those racist remarks about the “squad” because he perceives his base would like them and he calculated (wrongly, I hope) it would drive a wedge between the squad and the party leadership.

As far as Trump is concerned everybody is there to be exploited by him no matter what the colour of their skin or where they their ancestors came from.

[ippy]

I stopped listening to Today after numerous examples of the same presenter (usually Robinson or Humphrys) doing two interviews on the same programme, one with some Labour representative, one with any Tory.  I say naked bias because it was so obvious.  Tory: "Do you have any wise words for a grateful electorate?" ... silence from presenter while (usually pro-hard-brexit) right-winger spouts utter rubbish for several minutes.  And now Labour: "What have you got to say for yourself?" interviewee begins sentence, gets to 4th or 5th word and presenter cuts them off.  Usually with something along the lines of "That Jeremy Corbyn is a terrible racist though, isn't he?"  You can check it out for yourself, I think Today programmes are available on line.  Robinson has held a number of senior posts in Conservative associations in the past and the programme editor, Sarah Sands, was previously editor of the Standard. It's since her arrival that Today standards have fallen off a cliff.  And Rod Liddle used to be the editor!  Humphrys is, on the evidence of his interviews on subjects ranging from tennis to physics, brexit, climate change and trans-gender issues, less informed than the average cat.  The man is pinching a living.

Trump being a racist and misogynist is a given, it's the enthusiasm with which people embrace this kind of fascistic manipulation that I find so upsetting and worrying.  The 2nd World War is still within living memory. 

I've heard it suggested that it's better for bad people to be open about it, so we all know exactly what we're dealing with, but personally I'd prefer racists and misogynists that might be walking our streets not to feel empowered by having their views endorsed by people in positions of power.

My hope at the moment is that he's frantically trying to distract from the Epstein case which will finally bring him down, but it's a faint hope.  His supporters seem impervious, no matter how grotesque and uncivilised his words and behaviour.

The BBC is a well oiled machine that has had so many years of experience practising it's propaganda, making sure that we the overall percentage of the public are kept thinking in the way they think is good for us.

They treat us in much the way, I would describe as comparable with the use of the way the paddles are operated on a pinball machine, little and often points are made almost unnoticeable adjustments without missing a one so that when you add all of these minor adjustments together they're not such a small beer.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

I don’t think Trump is a racist in the conventional sense of the word. I don’t think he cares about anybody except himself. He made those racist remarks about the “squad” because he perceives his base would like them and he calculated (wrongly, I hope) it would drive a wedge between the squad and the party leadership.

As far as Trump is concerned everybody is there to be exploited by him no matter what the colour of their skin or where they their ancestors came from.

I'll go with this post of yours jp, good post.

Regards ippy

[Sriram]

I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.

Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct. The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.

I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's.  If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.

[Aruntraveller]

I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.

Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct. The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.

I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's.  If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.

Nope. He's a racist. And arguably a fascist (time will tell on that one).

"Send her back".

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."

As three out of the four congresswomen involved were born in the US, is that the country Trump was talking about?

Your defence of him as telling everyone to care for the country is nonsense. He uses divisive language and enables legislation against women, people of colour, the LGBT community and anyone more left wing than Marine Le Pen. If you are caring for a nation that means the whole nation not just the 40% of nut jobs that voted for you.

He is using the oldest tricks in the bigots toolbox. Divide and conquer. Othering. Hatred.

Your post is shameful.

[jeremyp]

I think Trump is a nationalist. He cares for his country

No he clearly doesn't care about his country except insofar as he can exploit it for his own personal gain.

and is telling everyone to care for their country instead of focusing on the US. That is not a bad thing.

The only problem with that is that, for the four people he directed his remarks at, their country is the USA.

Thinking of the US as a free playground where anyone can walk in.....is not correct.

You mean like Trump's own grandparents and two of his wives?

 

The American Dream is not sustainable if the whole world has the same dream.

What is the American Dream?

I think Trump is only trying to reverse the trend that started in the 60's and 70's.  If everyone worked for their own country (with lesser salaries and benefits of course) however hard it may be, the whole world could be like America someday.

What? like a country where getting into an argument could get you shot? Where there is no guarantee that you can get healthcare without bankrupting yourself?

No thanks.

[ippy]

No he clearly doesn't care about his country except insofar as he can exploit it for his own personal gain.
The only problem with that is that, for the four people he directed his remarks at, their country is the USA.
You mean like Trump's own grandparents and two of his wives?

 
What is the American Dream?

What? like a country where getting into an argument could get you shot? Where there is no guarantee that you can get healthcare without bankrupting yourself?

No thanks.

You could use Trump as an example of a pure capitalist and Ill settle for the relationship we have the US remaining as it is, no more or any less.

I'm at one with this post of yours jp, I just thought I'd add the above.

Regards ippy

[ekim]

Here's a clever piece of humour which avoided detection by the authorities : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49116539

[jeremyp]

Here's a clever piece of humour which avoided detection by the authorities : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49116539

I was disappointed they didn't manage to work the McDonalds logo into it.