Former President Trump

[Robbie]

Corey Reynolds is spot on.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53118721

A judge in the US has rejected Trump's plea for Bolton's book not to be published. I am sure it will be a best seller it has had so much publicity.

[Robbie]

I wonder how interesting it will be.

[flower girl]

Permitted by whom?

The US Senate.  They are a huge brick wall right now.  They are the reason Trump is still in office after the House of Representatives impeached him.

He's holding his first post-COVID19 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma later today.  He is so reckless, and so are his followers.  I feel sorry for the good people of Tulsa, especially the POCs. 

[Nearly Sane]

The US Senate.  They are a huge brick wall right now.  They are the reason Trump is still in office after the House of Representatives impeached him.

He's holding his first post-COVID19 rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma later today.  He is so reckless, and so are his followers.  I feel sorry for the good people of Tulsa, especially the POCs.

I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.

There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the  House of Representatives.

[flower girl]

I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.

There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the  House of Representatives.

There are only three ways to remove Trump:  The first is for the Senate to follow through on the House's articles of Impeachment and have him removed from office.  They refused to even hold a trial after the House's impeachment, which is unprecedented.  Second is for either the Senate or the Vice President to invoke Article 25 of the Constitution. But, there again, regardless of how egregious or dangerous Trump's behavior, no one in the GOP will act.  The third, of course, is to vote him out, which doesn't happen until November.  My concern is over what damage he will do between the election and the inauguration if he loses.  I'm praying that some of those around him, who obviously see Trump the way Bolton does, might then have him removed.

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53121488

Trump is such a lunatic he said that it is the fault of testing for the virus, which has produced so many cases, then claimed  he was joking.

[Harrowby Hall]

  The third, of course, is to vote him out, which doesn't happen until November.

But the problem is, Flower Girl, that he was never voted in in the first place. It was your country's Electoral College, with its distorting affection for small, rural states, which overturned a significant advantage for Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.

[jeremyp]

But the problem is, Flower Girl, that he was never voted in in the first place. It was your country's Electoral College, with its distorting affection for small, rural states, which overturned a significant advantage for Hillary Clinton in the popular vote.

He was vote in under the rules that have always applied to presidential elections. He can be voted out again under those same rules and will be if the current opinion polls hold up until November and the Republican party fails to steal the election.

[jeremyp]

I don't think the Senate are permitting him to be President though. Rather they aren't getting rid of him and while that may seem Jesuitical, it's an important difference. The idea that simply because the House of Representatives has passed an impeachment means that the Senate not doung so is somehow a permission would be a reversal of the burden of proof, and would challenge the checks and balances in the US constitution.

There is obviously a problem with the party politicization of auch issues but that also then applies to the  House of Representatives.

The impeachment hearings showed him to be absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours" of which he was accused. He should have been thrown out but the GOP rigged the "trial". Damned right he is being permitted to be president by the GOP.

[Nearly Sane]

The impeachment hearings showed him to be absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours" of which he was accused. He should have been thrown out but the GOP rigged the "trial". Damned right he is being permitted to be president by the GOP.

it's not a 'trial' in that sense hence your own use of ' '. Your use of 'absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours"' is not a legal statement but just your opinion with lots of strong words. Permitted doesn't make sense legally here either.

[flower girl]

Trump's/Barr's firing of the DA of Southern NY is alarming and reeks of unethical intent.  So many of us had put all our eggs of hope in that one basket.  I'm just hoping there's something the House and/or the judicial system can find to thwart the plan to put an inexperienced crony in his place with access to all the evidence that has been collected against Trump et al. 

This is so devastating.  That and also Trump's newly appointed CEO of US Global Media who has now fired all the heads.  These belong to the public (tax funded.)  Apparently, Steve Bannon is the one who recommenced this man to be CEO.  God help us. 

[jeremyp]

Just found the transcript of Trump’s Tulsa speech. Viewed as a piece of stream of consciousness literature, it’s quite good. I don’t recommend reading it all.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-speech-transcript

[jeremyp]

it's not a 'trial' in that sense hence your own use of ' '. Your use of 'absolutely 100% certainly guilty of the "high crimes and misdemeanours"' is not a legal statement but just your opinion with lots of strong words. Permitted doesn't make sense legally here either.

The US constitution says “the senate shall have sole power to try all impeachments”.

So it is a trial although not a standard criminal trial.


I didn’t realise I had to use legal language to make the point that Trump is clearly guilty of the things he was accused of in the impeachment. He was guilty. The senate let him off. That equates to them permitting him to continue.

[Nearly Sane]

The US constitution says “the senate shall have sole power to try all impeachments”.

So it is a trial although not a standard criminal trial.


I didn’t realise I had to use legal language to make the point that Trump is clearly guilty of the things he was accused of in the impeachment. He was guilty. The senate let him off. That equates to them permitting him to continue.

You don't think you are using legal language when you are using the term guilty?

[jeremyp]

You don't think you are using legal language when you are using the term guilty?

"Guilty" is a word of the English language. It means, in this context, "did the high crimes and misdemeanours of which he was accused".

Trump should have been fired. He wasn't because the Republicans in the Senate permitted him to stay in his job.

[Harrowby Hall]

https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/

I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.

[Nearly Sane]

https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/

I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.

Well the K-Pop. Tik Tok thing certainly seems to be correct. And Farage was there

[SteveH]

https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/

I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.

[jeremyp]

https://dorseteye.com/a-good-news-story/

I don't know whether this story is fact or factoid, but it certainly has the feel-good factor.

It's fact. There are many sources on the Internet talking about it e.g. (

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-holds-controversial-indoor-rally-in-tulsa-updates.html

(near the bottom, obviously)

You'll note that he was exempted from the travel ban because attending the rally was in the US national interest (allegedly).

[Roses]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53293542

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Aruntraveller]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53293542

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Is that a sigh of relief, anger or excitement?

[Nearly Sane]

Is that a sigh of relief, anger or excitement?

While I don't have much sympathy with the message, this was a well done speech and will have gone down well with the voters he needs to win back.

[Roses]

Well done, REALLY?

Trump claims that 99% of the covid-19 virus is totally harmless, tell that to its poorly victims.

[Nearly Sane]

Well done, REALLY?

Trump claims that 99% of the covid-19 virus is totally harmless, tell that to its poorly victims.

Again as I said it's not the message. It's about creating an enemy to make people feel scared of. Those voters he has to win back will be looking at the pulling down of statues like Columbus and have seen something they will fear
 Add to that Trump having spoken at Mt Rushmore on the 4th of July, and again coming across relatively compos, at least in not talking nonsense, and he's doing a good job from his side's viewpoint in making it about American values again.