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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2525 on: February 20, 2025, 07:53:50 AM »
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2526 on: February 20, 2025, 09:33:00 AM »
Why is it he sings from the Kremlin hymn sheet, from who started the war to elections in Ukraine, endorsing pro-russia parties in Europe etc? If he's not a russian asset, he's doing a bloody good impression of one.
Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift

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« Reply #2527 on: February 20, 2025, 10:44:09 AM »
Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift
I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2528 on: February 20, 2025, 11:48:01 AM »
What?
          [quoie]Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.[/quote]

AO,

Given your religious knowledge and that of mankind.  How would what Trump is doing  not fall outside the other countries in the world and the world since world war 2?
In your comment you referred to a war only involving Europe.  The actions of Trump show how he can bend the rules anytime.

We do not believe anyone but Russia are the aggressor.  So what if Russia and USA, are trying to force the hand of someone else who has been forcing this issue outside of Russia?



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« Reply #2529 on: February 20, 2025, 11:55:43 AM »
The emperor Nero lived in a time when transport much further than Europe and the Mediterranean was problematic. Certainly, the Roman army's reach was limited by their lack of technology.

They did not have planes or  Mans travel increased in the world at there time. There  was boats/ships. But now we have planes and trains as well as cars etc
The bible reveals much more. Wonder how you fathom it all out put together?

Daniel 12:4
“But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!


It is not limited to Europe both travel and education are now vastly increased. Since Christ we are all living in our lives the end times.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2530 on: February 20, 2025, 11:58:46 AM »
I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.

I think Trump's admiration for Putin is quite clear, not sneaking.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2531 on: February 20, 2025, 12:09:59 PM »
Because he doesn't care about Ukraine, he cares about the grift
Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2532 on: February 20, 2025, 12:21:07 PM »
Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.

Trump doesn't care about people, it is his status and how much goes into his pocket that he cares about most.
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« Reply #2533 on: February 20, 2025, 06:10:25 PM »
Bollocks. Drivel like this did as much to get Trump elected as any Russian bots.

He may not be a Russian asset in the sense of being on Putin's payroll, but he is certainly an asset to Russia.
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« Reply #2534 on: February 20, 2025, 06:12:06 PM »
They did not have planes or  Mans travel increased in the world at there time. There  was boats/ships. But now we have planes and trains as well as cars etc
The bible reveals much more. Wonder how you fathom it all out put together?

Daniel 12:4
“But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!


It is not limited to Europe both travel and education are now vastly increased. Since Christ we are all living in our lives the end times.

Nero was the antichrist. Didn't you know?
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« Reply #2535 on: February 20, 2025, 06:31:40 PM »
          [quoie]Trump just made an ever bigger war in Europe even more likely.

AO,

Given your religious knowledge and that of mankind.  How would what Trump is doing  not fall outside the other countries in the world and the world since world war 2?
In your comment you referred to a war only involving Europe.  The actions of Trump show how he can bend the rules anytime.

We do not believe anyone but Russia are the aggressor.  So what if Russia and USA, are trying to force the hand of someone else who has been forcing this issue outside of Russia?

I'm not sure what you mean. Be more clear and I'll try to answer the best I can
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« Reply #2536 on: February 20, 2025, 06:51:14 PM »
Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.

Disagree. He mentions the people of Ukraine so people will assume he has good intentions/motives. His motives are personal aggrandisement, his admiration of Putin, his dislike of Zeklensky and now it seems the mineral reserves.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2537 on: February 20, 2025, 08:37:27 PM »

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« Reply #2538 on: February 21, 2025, 12:23:23 PM »
Is Ukraine the people or the place? He keeps saying he wants the killing to stop, pointing out that he has seen pictures of the bodies and there are many more than we are being told. It's the people he cares about, first and foremost, then the waste of US dollars.
So the proposed mineral deal was just him caring?

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« Reply #2541 on: February 23, 2025, 01:54:15 PM »
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2542 on: February 23, 2025, 05:58:29 PM »

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« Reply #2543 on: February 24, 2025, 07:45:12 AM »
Disagree. He mentions the people of Ukraine so people will assume he has good intentions/motives. His motives are personal aggrandisement, his admiration of Putin, his dislike of Zeklensky and now it seems the mineral reserves.
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?

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« Reply #2544 on: February 24, 2025, 08:14:36 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?

No.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2545 on: February 24, 2025, 08:50:54 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?
Err Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2546 on: February 24, 2025, 09:04:58 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?

It is Putin and Trump who are the liars NOT Zelensky.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2547 on: February 24, 2025, 09:08:28 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money. For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000. He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons. So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means. Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?

How can you tell russia is lying? It speaks. Same goes for the Orange Turd.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2548 on: February 24, 2025, 09:17:35 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money.

Let's say, for a moment, that's true - he's leading a nation that faces an existential threat, if he has lied to secure weapons I'm frankly not that upset.

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For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000.

Most estimates put the RUSSIAN losses at between 800,000 and 1,000,000, and every single observation is that the Russians are chewing through people as a disposable resource, whereas Ukraine are trying their level-best to preserve their own. If Ukraine had lost 800,000 people that would be about 5% of the male population, about 20% of the 'fighting age' men - those sorts of losses would be apparent to the world, and they aren't.

And, of course, again - WHY ARE YOU BELIEVING RUSSIAN PROPOGANDA OUTPUT? How come 'Zelensky lies' is problematic when his country has been invaded (if he has even lied), but Russian lies about the outcomes of their illegal invasion are fair game?

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He also suggested that London would be bombed like in WW2 if we didn't give them weapons.

He said that if no-one stood up to Putin that he would continue to expand, and that London could be bombed - that's not a lie, that's an interpretation (and not an invalid one, given Putin's history).

Of course, that was in 2023, about a year after Putin's talking shop was suggesting that, let me check here.... London would be bombed first. telegrafi.com report

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So when Trump said Z played the Biden administration like a fiddle, that's what he means.

He means that he made a case, Biden - like the rest of the free world - agreed, and supported him. There's no lie there, there's a case made, a warning about a mutual threat, and a request for assistance in combatting it. You want someone being played like a fiddle, take a look at Trumplethinskin 'negotiating' a peace with a country he's not at war with, without one of the countries that is at war, selling his allies down the river for personal gain.

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Supposing the real number of casualties is mid-way between the two estimates; does that make it any more believable that Trump cares about them?

Firstly, if Russia makes up a number and rational reports have an estimated range, the truth is not likely to be half-way between them, it's likely to be within the range that the reliable reporting is suggesting.

Secondly, if Trump says he cares about casualties, you can put that up alongside Putin caring them - he's pitching his betrayal of the Western World for personal 'glory' with his dipshit followers as beneficence and they - and you - are credulous enough to believe it.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2549 on: February 24, 2025, 09:35:53 AM »
Perhaps there's something in the idea that some countries play politics like their national games e.g. with Russia it's chess, where certain pieces are sacrificed to achieve an end, with USA it's poker where you gamble on having the best hand full of trumps and UK it's cricket with plenty of spin.