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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2550 on: February 24, 2025, 10:29:26 AM »
Zelensky has consistently lied in order to get more and more weapons and money.
He's fighting an existential war. Do you understand that? If Ukraine loses, it ceases to exist.

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For example, he states that Ukraine has lost (iirc) 45,000 soldiers. Russia estimates that figure to be 900,000.
I'd take Zelensky's word over Putin's any day.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2551 on: February 24, 2025, 02:49:38 PM »
I'd take Zelensky's word over Putin's any every day.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2552 on: February 24, 2025, 06:40:39 PM »

"US joins Russia to vote against UN resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine" - of course

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/24/politics/us-joins-russia-ukraine-un-vote

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2553 on: February 24, 2025, 07:24:53 PM »
"US joins Russia to vote against UN resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine" - of course

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/24/politics/us-joins-russia-ukraine-un-vote

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2554 on: February 25, 2025, 02:50:13 PM »
Under Trump the USA is now a nation part of the Axis of Evil.

The USA now best mates with North Korea, Belarus, Hungary, Sudan and of course Russia, all those states which are the epitome of liberal democracy, free speech and happy, well-nourished citizens with such enviable lifestyles. You couldn't make it up. Where are the voices of the American democrats, or those republicans who haven't completely lost the capacity to reason? I would have expected an absolute outcry of protest, but so far I've only heard a few voices of dissent, at least on the British media. Maybe they're so taken aback at such monumental idiocy they've lost the power to communicate- or do they think Trump has some master plan which those of lesser intellectual powers have not been able to discern yet?
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2555 on: February 25, 2025, 03:03:04 PM »
I should think that's the main part of it. After all, Trump had his eye on 50% of Ukraine's considerable mineral resources, and when he put this to Zelensky, Z refused. Had he acquiesced, I think Trump's assessment of the situation would have been very different. But Trump takes any opposition as a personal slight, so petty-minded he is.
On the other hand, he does seem always to have had a sneaking admiration for Putin.
From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2556 on: February 25, 2025, 03:08:53 PM »
From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.

Well, I'm sure most of us heard that story completely the other way round, as is so often the case with matters which you raise, Spud. Btw, Trump is very fond of hyperbole, and his figures are usually wildly inaccurate, as Macron has diplomatically attempted to point out recently. Brownie points to Macron. He still manages to smile apparently genuinely in the presence of the orange bozo. Perhaps he can scarcely contain himself.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2557 on: February 25, 2025, 06:39:31 PM »
From what I've heard, zelensky came up with the idea of giving the US some of its mineral wealth, but it was conditional upon the US involvement in Ukraine to which Trump said no. The reason Trump was interested was in order to get back some of the 300 billion it gave Ukraine.

Where did you hear that?

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2558 on: February 25, 2025, 07:38:46 PM »
Where did you hear that?
A bloke down the pub said it.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2559 on: February 26, 2025, 05:13:52 PM »
Where did you hear that?
On the YouTube channel the Duran. At around 4:20 here.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2560 on: February 26, 2025, 07:02:33 PM »
On the YouTube channel the Duran. At around 4:20 here.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2561 on: February 26, 2025, 07:26:10 PM »
One YouTube channel. Great.
"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2183 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2562 on: February 26, 2025, 07:52:34 PM »
"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2193 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.

There isn't a #2193 on the Arming the Ukrainians thread. Do you mean another thread or post?

edit - okay, #2183.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2564 on: February 26, 2025, 07:58:05 PM »
"Zelensky raised the prospect of access to some of the country's mineral wealth last year, when he presented a "victory plan" to Western partners."
From the link in #2193 on the Ukraine thread. Also, Zelensky was shown on the news this evening saying that the mineral deal wouldn't work without US security guarantees.
But the problem with the whole 'deal' thing at the moment is that Ukraine wants all the territory back and NATO membership, and peacekeeping troops, all things Russia will not allow. The West must surely be aware of this.

Yes, the west is aware of what Putin says that he'll accept - the west is also generally aware that reality and Putin's accounts are rarely in alignment. Russia is losing money, people and stability, it's had to rely on North Korean troops and munitions to fight to a stalemate in a war it started. Twice.

The west know what Putin says he'll accept, but that should have been the start point of negotiations - instead, Trump gave him everything he asked for, undermining and undercutting all his purported allies.

'The West' knew. Trump may or may not have known the gap between Putin's bravado and the reality - it's still not entirely clear to me if Trump's genuinely that fucking stupid or that pathologically mendacious, but either way we're now where we are because Trump wants glory and cheap goods, and he'll throw anyone and everyone under any bus he can find to get it. And Putin know this, too, which is why his cyber-warfare units were deployed so aggressively to stir shit up about the Democrats and agitate against the moderate Republicans for the last ten years or so.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2565 on: February 26, 2025, 08:54:54 PM »
The problem with any condemnation of Trump, is if the war does come to an end with a settlement that the Russians and Ukrainians can accept, then it's better than the we have always been at war with Eastasia approach we were in
 
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2566 on: February 27, 2025, 08:22:47 AM »
Yes, the west is aware of what Putin says that he'll accept - the west is also generally aware that reality and Putin's accounts are rarely in alignment. Russia is losing money, people and stability, it's had to rely on North Korean troops and munitions to fight to a stalemate in a war it started. Twice.

The west know what Putin says he'll accept, but that should have been the start point of negotiations - instead, Trump gave him everything he asked for, undermining and undercutting all his purported allies.

'The West' knew. Trump may or may not have known the gap between Putin's bravado and the reality - it's still not entirely clear to me if Trump's genuinely that fucking stupid or that pathologically mendacious, but either way we're now where we are because Trump wants glory and cheap goods, and he'll throw anyone and everyone under any bus he can find to get it. And Putin know this, too, which is why his cyber-warfare units were deployed so aggressively to stir shit up about the Democrats and agitate against the moderate Republicans for the last ten years or so.

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Interesting interview on radio 4 this morning with a retired US general. He said the US won't be part of the peace keeping force but he thought it was possible they could provide 'air power' to protect European troops if Russia attacked them.
Problem with that is Russia says no European troops in Ukraine, so no ceasefire or peace agreement, which is more what I was getting at when I said the West must know.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2567 on: February 27, 2025, 09:32:07 AM »
Interesting interview on radio 4 this morning with a retired US general. He said the US won't be part of the peace keeping force but he thought it was possible they could provide 'air power' to protect European troops if Russia attacked them.
Problem with that is Russia says no European troops in Ukraine, so no ceasefire or peace agreement, which is more what I was getting at when I said the West must know.

Seriously! What would russia do? Sweet FA! Russia would get smoked in no time.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2568 on: February 27, 2025, 10:14:54 AM »
Seriously! What would russia do? Sweet FA! Russia would get smoked in no time.
While smoking planet earth in response, yes. But the point is there won't be any peace agreement.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2569 on: February 28, 2025, 10:40:15 PM »
Isn't it so wonderful that the king has given the incontinent orange idiot a personal invitation to visit the UK.

Just imagine the warmth of the welcome that the British public will give as his motorcade glides along the Mall.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2570 on: March 01, 2025, 05:36:44 AM »
Isn't it so wonderful that the king has given the incontinent orange idiot a personal invitation to visit the UK.

Just imagine the warmth of the welcome that the British public will give as his motorcade glides along the Mall.
He didn't get a great welcome last time. Doesn't seem likely to bother him

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2571 on: March 01, 2025, 12:42:13 PM »
Well that was a complete shitshow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgddp56570o

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2572 on: March 03, 2025, 12:26:05 PM »
Further proof the Trump administration has completely surrendered to russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2er34w0jgdo
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #2573 on: March 03, 2025, 05:48:03 PM »
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A petition to rescind Donald Trump’s invitation for a second state visit to the UK was launched by the Stop Trump Coalition on Friday and had nearly 100,000 signatures by Monday. Meanwhile, another petition, started by the online campaign group 38Degrees, was nudging towards 150,000, while the Mail on Sunday was demanding exactly the same thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/03/no-denying-trumps-true-nature-what-will-it-take-to-stop-another-uk-visit
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