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Re: Good one, vicar.
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2017, 01:09:17 PM »
Well there may be - but then there are people who abuse marriage period. So why gay people should be singled out for abusing the institution I don't know.

Two words: Britney.Spears.

or another two: Elizabeth. Taylor.

or ZsaZsa. Gabor. (Ok that may be 3)

You would not believe the stuff the church in this area thinks is ok. Remarriage of adulterers is the norm. I have no problem with it - we all make mistakes - but Jesus wasn't keen if the Gospela are to be believed.

And as for the naughty vicar and the woman he was giving marriage guidance to... still in Holy Orders because the sex acts didn't involve penetration.


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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2017, 01:11:00 PM »
I am not singling out gay people.....I am singling out antitheists who see this as a way to stick one on a church.....and that's it.

Fairy nuff.

The point still stands - marriage as an institution is in most folks eyes in this country an excuse to take pretty pictures outside a picturesque church with a soft focus vintage Rolls in the background. To claim that it is some historically cherished position is way off the mark. And most of 'em will never go back for a church service until they reach the other end of their life and find that funerals are far outweighing the weddings.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2017, 01:11:36 PM »
I am not singling out gay people.....I am singling out antitheists who see this as a way to stick one on a church.....and that's it.

Bollocks. Nobody welcomes the church's stance - we want to see it stop making people suffer, that's all. If the church changes then the 'antitheists' have no argument to make. If it doesn't it deserves to die as a place not fit for the Gospel it preaches.

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2017, 01:11:57 PM »
No, it really isn't ok. If you are an Anglican you are an Anglican. And it isn't just priests who face hate and discrimination - all done with the love of the Gospel of course. It is gay couples who wish to marry in church or at the very least have their unions blessed in the sight of God.

Effectively you are saying that the Anglican Church is right to force its children to be homeless or to have to find shelter elsewhere. How completely loving.
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I'm saying go to another denomination and get married in theirs.

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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2017, 01:14:06 PM »
I'm saying go to another denomination and get married in theirs.

Yes I know. Why should an Anglican have to do that? It's like telling your child that if he wants to have Christmas dinner with his boyfriend he's not welcome under your roof but can go to someone else's house. You call that love?

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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2017, 01:14:35 PM »
Bollocks. Nobody welcomes the church's stance - we want to see it stop making people suffer, that's all. If the church changes then the 'antitheists' have no argument to make. If it doesn't it deserves to die as a place not fit for the Gospel it preaches.
Elements of non sequitur.
Where on earth is ''not being able to get married in an Anglican church'' on the league table of suffering I wonder.

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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2017, 01:15:56 PM »
Elements of non sequitur.
Where on earth is ''not being able to get married in an Anglican church'' on the league table of suffering I wonder.

Ask those who were protesting yesterday. Ask those who are told their love is unclean.

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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2017, 01:16:20 PM »
Elements of non sequitur.
Where on earth is ''not being able to get married in an Anglican church'' on the league table of suffering I wonder.

alright. Stop it for heterosexuals then. Make them go somewhere else.
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Re: Good one, vicar.
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2017, 01:17:20 PM »
alright. Stop it for heterosexuals then. Make them go somewhere else.
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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2017, 01:18:07 PM »
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2017, 01:26:29 PM »
Antitheists protesting at the policy of the C of E. In this case it is another weapon at hand.
You could turn it on its head - in other words that theists protesting at the policy of the democratic government and its enacted laws are 'abusing same sex marriage'. But of course the clear assumption of your statement was that couples were abusing same sex marriage by getting married when they weren't in a relationship/able to legitimately make the marriage commitments. You have no evidence for this.

Same sex marriage is not an historically cherished position.
So what? And there is no 'same sex marriage' - there is just marriage, with the groups able to make that commitment extended. So marriage remains a historically cherished position, but one that now extends to more loving couples who wish to commit to each other in the eyes of the law.

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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2017, 01:30:54 PM »
Good. Sorted.
Apparently Jeremy Kaplowitz was about to go on stage etc.

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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2017, 01:40:56 PM »
You could turn it on its head - in other words that theists protesting at the policy of the democratic government and its enacted laws are 'abusing same sex marriage'. But of course the clear assumption of your statement was that couples were abusing same sex marriage by getting married
Nope. You read that in. As I explained those abusing same sex marriage were antitheists merely using it as a weapon to stick one on the church.

The Church of England doesn't believe that the enviable bliss of a commitment to another affable chap, probably a pipe smoker, talking about modifications to Nigel Gresley's tenders on Pacifics is ''marriage''...and lets face it, it is not that long ago that chaps sharing the bliss of commitment to another affable chap, probably a pipe smoker, would have agreed with them.

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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2017, 01:56:54 PM »
Nope. You read that in. As I explained those abusing same sex marriage were antitheists merely using it as a weapon to stick one on the church.

The Church of England doesn't believe that the enviable bliss of a commitment to another affable chap, probably a pipe smoker, talking about modifications to Nigel Gresley's tenders on Pacifics is ''marriage''...and lets face it, it is not that long ago that chaps sharing the bliss of commitment to another affable chap, probably a pipe smoker, would have agreed with them.

Don't know what all this pipe smoking's got to do with it - but leaving aside your baseless and questionable stereotypes I personally don't give a stuff about getting married in Church, or indeed even getting married. But for some of my friends it is important. It is important to them because they suffer under the same sad, woeful misconception that you do; that is that a Christian God exists. Therefore because of the way they view things it would be awfully nice if you Christians just let them do it - and throw out your old, useless prejudices against gay people like you did with mixed fibres, slavery and shellfish.

Anyway why aren't you keeping up biblical tradition by upholding this:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

or this:

"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

or indeed this:

 “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.”


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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2017, 02:11:37 PM »
Don't know what all this pipe smoking's got to do with it - but leaving aside your baseless and questionable stereotypes I personally don't give a stuff about getting married in Church, or indeed even getting married. But for some of my friends it is important. It is important to them because they suffer under the same sad, woeful misconception that you do; that is that a Christian God exists. Therefore because of the way they view things it would be awfully nice if you Christians just let them do it
But they are Christians too. Stop trying to make them honorary atheists.
My point is that they can get married in church since some denominations will take them so your appeal to Christians has already been answered. Also polygamy is not recognised by the church and they have to go elsewhere and would have to in countries where polygamy was legal.
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2017, 02:28:00 PM »
They cannot get married in the *Anglican* church. If that is the church family to which they belong and they request the right to marry their church family will reject them.

Nobody here is arguing for the right to polygamy, just equal monogamy.

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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2017, 02:36:54 PM »
They cannot get married in the *Anglican* church. If that is the church family to which they belong and they request the right to marry their church family will reject them.

They might reject their claim that they can marry yes since if the church believes that marriage is between a man and a woman then the minister will not in all consciousness be marrying them.
Also the minister is not actually preventing them from being married....how can she?

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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2017, 02:39:50 PM »
But they are Christians too. Stop trying to make them honorary atheists.
My point is that they can get married in church since some denominations will take them so your appeal to Christians has already been answered. Also polygamy is not recognised by the church and they have to go elsewhere and would have to in countries where polygamy was legal.

Not trying to make them honorary atheists. They define themselves as Christians as you do. I accept that. I think you are all wrong as I expect you think I am wrong, do you think I am an honorary Christian?

No I accept their self definition as Christian.

As to your other sideswipe it is a polygamous straw man or perhaps more correctly, men.

But if they have worshipped in an Anglican Church all their lives and in some cases serves that Church all their lives, why on Earth would they want to run off to another church?
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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2017, 02:47:31 PM »
Not trying to make them honorary atheists. They define themselves as Christians as you do. I accept that. I think you are all wrong as I expect you think I am wrong, do you think I am an honorary Christian?

No I accept their self definition as Christian.

As to your other sideswipe it is a polygamous straw man or perhaps more correctly, men.

But if they have worshipped in an Anglican Church all their lives and in some cases serves that Church all their lives, why on Earth would they want to run off to another church?
To get married of course.

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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2017, 03:02:31 PM »
And you find that acceptable. Wow.

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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2017, 03:04:36 PM »
Nope. You read that in. As I explained those abusing same sex marriage were antitheists merely using it as a weapon to stick one on the church.
As I also pointed out there is no such thing as 'same sex marriage' - the law merely extended civil marriage to a wider group of couples. There is only marriage, which is governed by the law of the land.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2017, 03:25:49 PM »
And you find that acceptable. Wow.
Well yes. Since the Anglicans stick to that interpretation of marriage then to expect someone to do something against their beliefs would mean a heartless soulless event......like a shotgun marriage but with the priest at the end of the barrel.

Only people with hearts of stone would want to enforce that wouldn't they?

If you want someone whose doing it because they are so contracted....go to a registry office.

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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2017, 03:28:12 PM »
As I also pointed out there is no such thing as 'same sex marriage'
so people of the same sex do not get married then?

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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2017, 03:31:35 PM »
so people of the same sex do not get married then?
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