Good one, vicar.

[Aruntraveller]

then to expect someone to do something against their beliefs would mean a heartless soulless event.

Yes but they've changed their minds on so many other things in relation to their religion that it just sounds mean spirited and prejudiced to hold to the old ways on this one particular issue.

It's almost like they are indeed prejudiced against pipe smoking chaps.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes but they've changed their minds on so many other things in relation to their religion that it just sounds mean spirited and prejudiced to hold to the old ways on this one particular issue.

It's almost like they are indeed prejudiced against pipe smoking chaps.

You mean the pipe smoking chaps for whom until recently gay marriage was not even an issue?

[Nearly Sane]

You mean the pipe smoking chaps for whom until recently gay marriage was not even an issue?

So when slavery was abolished you would have denigrated Wilberforce for pipe smoking?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So when slavery was abolished you would have denigrated Wilberforce for pipe smoking?

Keep up...pipe smoking is a great thing.

[ProfessorDavey]

so people of the same sex do not get married then?

yes they do - it is called marriage and is identical to a opposite sex couple. So if there is no 'opposite sex marriage' then there is no 'same sex marriage'. And that is the case there is only marriage.

[Rhiannon]

Well yes. Since the Anglicans stick to that interpretation of marriage then to expect someone to do something against their beliefs would mean a heartless soulless event......like a shotgun marriage but with the priest at the end of the barrel.

Only people with hearts of stone would want to enforce that wouldn't they?

If you want someone whose doing it because they are so contracted....go to a registry office.

I gave up my vocation to the church and walked away from it because I couldn't have been able to act according to my conscience on this issue. Plenty of priests have stuck it out in the hope that one day the church will change its mind and celebrate marriage equality. Some have had to leave at personal cost. Walking away from the church was like walking away from a marriage for me (I know, I've done both).

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So when slavery was abolished you would have denigrated Wilberforce for pipe smoking?

Campaigning for marriage is like campaigning for slavery....Hasn't anybody told you anything?

[Nearly Sane]

Campaigning for marriage is like campaigning for slavery....Hasn't anybody told you anything?

lying again, Vlad!

[wigginhall]

I gave up my vocation to the church and walked away from it because I couldn't have been able to act according to my conscience on this issue. Plenty of priests have stuck it out in the hope that one day the church will change its mind and celebrate marriage equality. Some have had to leave at personal cost. Walking away from the church was like walking away from a marriage for me (I know, I've done both).

Well, there are some things in Anglicanism that I like, but in relation to gays and lesbians, there seems to be this moral vileness, which I still find surprising.   I know that there are various reasons offered for it, for example, that it's Biblical, or that it's a way of staying connected with the African churches, but really, in the face of the hurt caused to LGBT people, well, the C of E place themselves outside civilized values.  What's odd is that they can't see this self-caused damage.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

lying again, Vlad!

No just making a joke. Keep up, know which way the traffic is going, Brain in gear, engage.

[Nearly Sane]

No just making a joke. Keep up, know which way the traffic is going, Brain in gear, engage.

you lie so often that's where the traffic godely

[bluehillside Retd.]

Trent,

Two words: Britney Spears.

As I'm not one to miss an opportunity for a quirky irrelevance, can I just mention here that, rather pleasingly, "Britney Spears" is an anagram of "presbyterians"?

Thank you. 

Oh, and shouldn't we call "gay marriage" by what it actually is - equal marriage? It's helpful too to clarify what its opponents really argue for - ie, unequal marriage.

[Rhiannon]

Ok, I really know I shouldn't...

Newsthump has a Julian Clary moment.

http://newsthump.com/2017/02/16/church-of-england-gay-vote-in-chaos-after-members-use-wrong-the-passageway/