Author Topic: Antitheist get out of jail free cards  (Read 2266 times)

Walt Zingmatilder

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Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« on: February 17, 2017, 07:46:26 PM »
We don't know.
Science will one day reveal.
Everything is possible.
Everybody was religious in those days.

Source: Antitheist colons;
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 07:59:42 PM by Emergence-The musical »

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 07:58:37 PM »
Does that mean I do get to pass go and collect £200?
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 08:00:46 PM »
Does that mean I do get to pass go and collect £200?
You don't have a monopoly on this , you know.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 11:51:14 AM »
We don't know.
Science will one day reveal.
Everything is possible.
Everybody was religious in those days.

Source: Antitheist colons;

I think it says everything that needs to be said that you think 'We don't know' is somehow an unacceptable answer...

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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 12:10:03 PM »
I think it says everything that needs to be said that you think 'We don't know' is somehow an unacceptable answer...

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So the next time a theist uses the term it will be ok on this forum?

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 12:00:47 AM »
It's ok for theists to use any terms they like so long as they don't break the rules.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 09:03:28 AM »
Two more antitheist get out of jail free cards

That's the no true scotsmen fallacy....if they say they are Christian then they are.

Richard Dawkins and other secularists are running a campaign to get people who would habitually put C of E as their denomination to declare themselves as what they really are, agnostics and atheists, at the census.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 11:19:55 AM »
So the next time a theist uses the term it will be ok on this forum?

'I don't know' is absolutely fine, it's 'We don't know, therefore God' that's the logically flawed formulation.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 11:23:22 AM »
That's the no true scotsmen fallacy....if they say they are Christian then they are.

How do you propose we determine the arbiter for 'proper' Christian or not? Given that there's nothing particularly definitive about any of it, no reliable sources of information, no means to reliably test the proposition, how do we determine that any one claim is any more or less accurate than another?

How does 'real' Christian and 'fake' Christian differ from 'claims of Christianity of which I personally approve' and 'claims of Christianity of which I personally disapprove'?

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Richard Dawkins and other secularists are running a campaign to get people who would habitually put C of E as their denomination to declare themselves as what they really are, agnostics and atheists, at the census.

I fail to see how this could be interpreted as a 'get out of jail free' card? Surely accurate census data is important; campaigning for an accurate description gives us more reliable data from which we can make better judgements on matters of public policy?

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 11:37:15 AM »
'I don't know' is absolutely fine, it's 'We don't know, therefore God' that's the logically flawed formulation.

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It's still fine to say it. Anyone saying it has to expect to have it challenged though.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 02:34:05 PM »
'I don't know' is absolutely fine, it's 'We don't know, therefore God' that's the logically flawed formulation.

Yes but whose said it though? I think that's a bit of atheist urban mythology creeping in.

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Re: Antitheist get out of jail free cards
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 02:48:48 PM »
Yes but whose said it though? I think that's a bit of atheist urban mythology creeping in.

You've not encountered a 'God of the Gaps' argument? Really? Never?

Every time someone ribs on a variation of 'yeah, but how do you explain...'

Just look around here at people who suggest there's no explanation for the soul or free will in science, therefore Goddidit. William Lane Craig cosmological special pleading argument is riddled with it.

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