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Re: German Brits
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 11:44:50 AM »

Lots of people have a problem with me. One, that I am in India, second that I am a Hindu, third that I advocate secular spirituality, fourth I also write significantly about science topics and (horror of horrors!) I actually try to integrate spirituality and science.... and even call spirituality a Science!!  >:(

I have tolerated it for more than 17 years from the BBC boards. Some more years will not hurt.

I am not going to change, so get used to it!   :)

That wasn't really my point. You suggested it was because you are a foreigner (I think) but I wondered why you thought that rather than it just being about what you post and say. The reply above suggests it is about both what you post and what you are - but what makes you think it is about what you are rather than what you post?

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 02:29:01 PM »
I haven't seen anything to complain about in your posts. After reading this thread I looked at a few in case I'd missed something. However people have different perspectives.
As for Britain or more precisely the UK, I haven't lived anywhere else,like it here and wouldn't emigrate. Also like being European and would be pleased for that to continue. People who have settled here from other countries are welcome as far as I'm concerned, they make life more interesting.

We don't own the country we are born in, nationalism is stupid to me. Pre-referendum campaigns (UKRAP)stirred nationalsim up which is unpleasant. About time we looked around and realised how lucky we are. Always room for improvement but we can work on that.


I think nationalism is important.  It is like family pride. It keeps people together and works for their welfare. It does not mean you don't respect other families. In fact once we take pride in our family we respect everyone who does the same.  Nationalism is the same.

Allowing others into the country is fine but where do you draw the line?   

I think many people get programmed to think in certain ways and are unable to change or 'delete' these ways of thinking at the appropriate time.   They just continue thinking the way they thought earlier but which is dysfunctional under changed circumstances.

Sweden seems to have problems now.....and Trump seems to have been right after all!

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/23/europe/sweden-trump-refugees-integration/index.html

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When Donald Trump suggested something was going wrong in Sweden -- long hailed a glowing example for its decision to welcome so many refugees and migrants -- his remarks were met first with confusion, and then with derision.

But after riots broke out here in Rinkeby, a short drive from the center of Stockholm, just days later, one local resident told CNN he thought Trump's comments were "spot on. I think everything he said is true."

he argues, immigration to the country -- and to his neighborhood -- has now gone too far.

"It is out of control. There is a lot of them, there is no place for them," he says. "The real problem is the refugees. They come here and think they can do whatever they want."

"In the cities, you see almost no Swedish people," she explains. "They have moved out, so it's almost all people from different countries, and there are so many people on the streets, begging ... it's so sad; there are so many, and [the government] can't take care of everybody."

"I would describe it as a crisis. I have seen serious problems with law and order," Karlsson tells CNN. "If you don't control the borders, if you have an irresponsible refugee problem, you will get problems. And we have serious problems here."

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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 03:13:29 PM »
Trump was not right, he didn't even understand what he was watching.

Sweden is perfectly capable of handling any problems that arise. Your quote is weird - you have "quote mined" it - to only reflect the point you want to make and deleted everything to the contrary.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 04:25:14 PM »
Trump was not right, he didn't even understand what he was watching.

Sweden is perfectly capable of handling any problems that arise. Your quote is weird - you have "quote mined" it - to only reflect the point you want to make and deleted everything to the contrary.

Yes, why miss out bits like the following

'Others remain absolutely convinced that Sweden's immigration policy is something to be proud of.
"I know we have a lot of migrants, but I do not see it as a problem," says student Natalie Lindum, 20, from Stockholm. "Yes, we have a lot of people coming, but it's something I welcome.
"I have a lot of friends' parents who are not from Sweden, but I love that. I love that it's multicultural. They are good people, and I think there is actually less racism in Sweden nowadays."

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 06:27:38 PM »

It was in the BBC news site. So it was topical enough I should think.  If people have nothing to comment...they shouldn't!

I actually agree with you Sriram.

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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2017, 06:56:02 PM »
I think in common with most leavers I thought we have been clear about cutting our ties with europe whilst wishing to remain on good terms with our neighbours
Well we blew that. All our neighbours hate us.
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2017, 07:00:33 PM »
Well we blew that. All our neighbours hate us.

And we've made quite a few of our neighbours who have settled here frightened for their futures. Frankly we deserve to be hated.

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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2017, 12:35:45 PM »
Well we blew that. All our neighbours hate us.

Looks like this is a subject we're not very likely to have any common ground J P or you Rhi, we'll not agree anytime soon.

There are quite a few out there in Europe that share views in common with us, the winning side of our U K referendum.

Maybe we should buy and man up a serious number of Citron Avanti cars along with a job lot of long leather coats with matching Fedora hats and send them out hunting for foreigners?

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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2017, 12:53:26 PM »
If we did cut our ties with Europe, the British economy would go into meltdown, and in fact, probably so would the EU.   The whole problem is that we  can't, and then the issue is of finding solutions to continuing trade.    One of the biggest may well be customs practices, since at the moment, driving a lorry from London to Prague is fairly easy, since all the checks can be done electronically,  and so I can sail across borders.   However, when we are a 'third country', will this still be the case?  If we cut ties, no, and every border will  require document checks, load checks, checks  on the driver - a complete nightmare.   If we preserve certain ties, so as to facilitate movement of goods, then we are half in the single market, and/or the customs union.  I suspect that Mrs May will have to use smoke and mirrors to conceal this from the headbangers.
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« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2017, 12:55:04 PM »
I actually agree with you Sriram.

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So you see, it isn't very difficult if you try really hard!  :)

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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2017, 01:07:44 PM »
ippy -

There are quite a few out there in Europe that share views in common with us, the winning side of our U K referendum.


Who precisely?
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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2017, 01:18:44 PM »
Nice people like Le Pen. 
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Re: German Brits
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2017, 03:12:03 PM »


So you see, it isn't very difficult if you try really hard!  :)

Sorry no effort deployed on my part, other than operating this keyboard.

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Re: German Brits
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2017, 03:14:04 PM »
ippy -

There are quite a few out there in Europe that share views in common with us, the winning side of our U K referendum.


Who precisely?

Just keep up to date with the news etc, there's no need for me to spell it out.

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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2017, 03:56:22 PM »
If we did cut our ties with Europe, the British economy would go into meltdown, and in fact, probably so would the EU.   The whole problem is that we  can't, and then the issue is of finding solutions to continuing trade.    One of the biggest may well be customs practices, since at the moment, driving a lorry from London to Prague is fairly easy, since all the checks can be done electronically,  and so I can sail across borders.   However, when we are a 'third country', will this still be the case?  If we cut ties, no, and every border will  require document checks, load checks, checks  on the driver - a complete nightmare.   If we preserve certain ties, so as to facilitate movement of goods, then we are half in the single market, and/or the customs union.  I suspect that Mrs May will have to use smoke and mirrors to conceal this from the headbangers.

You think Europe wont want to trade with us? If that's not that's not the case it's how I'm reading your post, I'm not as pessimistic as you and I don't hate the continental Europeans either.

As for immigration, if we have a shortage of saddle makers bottom knockers, let's let a number of people that follow that trade come hear to live and practice their trade in a similar way to the Ausie points system, whatever the trade profession or job concerned happens to be.

If you're happy with Brussels governing the U K to the extent it has, well we're never going to see eye to eye on that one.

The paperwork at the boarders has to be sorted, yes, but I don't see it as so unsurmountable as you do, the thing is it has to be sorted, we are parting with the EU so let's get on with it without wasting so much time moaning.

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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2017, 04:04:15 PM »
You think Europe wont want to trade with us? If that's not that's not the case it's how I'm reading your post, I'm not as pessimistic as you and I don't hate the continental Europeans either.

As for immigration, if we have a shortage of saddle makers bottom knockers, let's let a number of people that follow that trade come hear to live and practice their trade in a similar way to the Ausie points system, whatever the trade profession or job concerned happens to be.

If you're happy with Brussels governing the U K to the extent it has, well we're never going to see eye to eye on that one.

The paperwork at the boarders has to be sorted, yes, but I don't see it as so unsurmountable as you do, the thing is it has to be sorted, we are parting with the EU so let's get on with it without wasting so much time moaning.

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You were talking about cutting our ties with Europe, and I'm just pointing out that we can't do that.    I don't think that documentation and regulations are unsurmountable problems at all, but the problem for hard Brexiteers is that they require considerable cooperation with the EU.    If I want to export cheese to an EU country, I can't just load up a lorry with ten tons of  it, and drive to Calais.   Well, at the moment, I can.   But after Brexit, I have to make sure that the cheese conforms to EU regulations,  that the lorry also does, and the driver.   At the moment, all that is done electronically, since we share the same regs, in other words, harmonisation.     But after Brexit?   The queues from Turkey into the EU can stretch several kilometres on the road, and we have the bottleneck of Dover.
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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2017, 05:17:36 PM »
You were talking about cutting our ties with Europe, and I'm just pointing out that we can't do that.    I don't think that documentation and regulations are unsurmountable problems at all, but the problem for hard Brexiteers is that they require considerable cooperation with the EU.    If I want to export cheese to an EU country, I can't just load up a lorry with ten tons of  it, and drive to Calais.   Well, at the moment, I can.   But after Brexit, I have to make sure that the cheese conforms to EU regulations,  that the lorry also does, and the driver.   At the moment, all that is done electronically, since we share the same regs, in other words, harmonisation.     But after Brexit?   The queues from Turkey into the EU can stretch several kilometres on the road, and we have the bottleneck of Dover.

I was talking about more or less the things I expressed in post 29 of mine, I like most of us that voted out are not looking to go to war with Europe, why wouldn't we want to cooperate with Europe, in anything other than being a part of their club, who's saying it's going to be easy, don't look in my direction, it wasn't me.

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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2017, 05:39:43 PM »
It's as easy or as difficult as the British government makes it. If they go for hard Brexit, it will probably be difficult, as we won't have harmonised regulations with the EU.   On the other hand, if they do accept a degree of harmonisation, the headbangers on the right wing will say it's not Brexit.  I suspect that Mrs May will do a dance of the seven veils, that is, a kind of customs union, but not with that name.
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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2017, 06:10:23 PM »
Looks like this is a subject we're not very likely to have any common ground J P or you Rhi, we'll not agree anytime soon.

There are quite a few out there in Europe that share views in common with us, the winning side of our U K referendum.

Maybe we should buy and man up a serious number of Citron Avanti cars along with a job lot of long leather coats with matching Fedora hats and send them out hunting for foreigners?

ippy

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I hold a British Passport.

My wife holds a Romanian Passport

Our kids hold British Passports (so fuck Ukip/BNP)

Now do you understand why this is not a laughing matter?

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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2017, 06:53:41 PM »
Hello again Ippy.

I hold a British Passport.

My wife holds a Romanian Passport

Our kids hold British Passports (so fuck Ukip/BNP)

Now do you understand why this is not a laughing matter?

I don't see it as a laughing matter either, as long as we do leave the EU and people like yourself are treated fairly it's not so problematical to me, the thing is we are leaving let's get on with it, get it all settled.

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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2017, 07:03:01 PM »
Fair? Like this?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years

I can see why families like Humph's are concerned. I have no faith that this won't happen to EU nationals who have married British citizens too, let alone EU families who have made the UK their home.

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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2017, 07:09:31 PM »
Hello again Ippy.

I hold a British Passport.

My wife holds a Romanian Passport

Our kids hold British Passports (so fuck Ukip/BNP)

Now do you understand why this is not a laughing matter?

Indeed it is no laughing matter, HWB.  It is no laughing matter for the person who wrote this blog either.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/english-expat-germany-brexit


I can only hope that both the EU and the UK don't try to use people such as your wife and the person writing this blog as bargaining chips. That, in my eyes, would be totally wrong. Assurances need to be given, legal assurances if need be, by both the EU and the UK that those who have chosen to reside within the EU outside of their EU country of origin, have the right to stay there.
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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2017, 09:16:59 PM »
Fair? Like this?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years

I can see why families like Humph's are concerned. I have no faith that this won't happen to EU nationals who have married British citizens too, let alone EU families who have made the UK their home.

I dare say you could find more cases like this if you look hard enough, of course it's wrong and needs to be sorted, the odd few cases like this are bound to happen, it doesn'make these things fair or right nor is it a bonafied reason to overturn the referendum result.

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« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2017, 11:41:56 PM »
I didn't need to look, Ippy, it's headline news.

I agree it's no reason to overturn the referendum result - its too late for that. It's a shabby reflection on this country though and in all likelihood a taste of what the Brexiters have voted in.

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2017, 05:22:23 AM »


So..you folks did find something to argue about on this thread after all!  Great!  ;)

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