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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #525 on: November 06, 2019, 10:30:41 PM »
That he is sweetPea which is why so many people who are opposed to his politics, at the same time quite like him. He is entertaining (can imagine him doing after dinner speeches in a different life). If ever he's on telly such as Question Time (which he's been on a lot!), I always make a point of watching. It's been boring recently, same old thing each week (the B word), with half the panel in favour and the other half not. My mind wanders. I hope we're not all going to be sitting here this time next year making the same arguments.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #526 on: November 07, 2019, 02:35:36 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on November 06, 2019, 09:31:02 PM
Yeah, yeah. Your own bias is distorting your judgement:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17631396.bbc-has-explaining-to-do-over-record-farage-question-time-appearance/

I can see that wanting to leave the EU can be taken as having a bias for leaving the EU and in theory news agencies whatever the title they work under happens to be should be reporting current events with equality, surprisingly not many do.

Seriously if you don't think the BBC has a rather obvious bias for remain, it makes me wonder why when they don't even try to disguise their bias any more, but at the mo they'll have to comply with the broadcasting rules that apply running up to elections or referendums.

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #527 on: November 07, 2019, 06:21:13 PM »
So why do they give farage so much coverage and exposure.?
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #528 on: November 07, 2019, 06:47:48 PM »
Meanwhile, in Parliament today, this was passed.
https://www.gov.scot/news/referendums-bill/
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #529 on: November 09, 2019, 11:40:35 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on November 07, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
So why do they give Farage so much coverage and exposure.?

Why not!

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #530 on: November 09, 2019, 12:24:00 PM »
Quote from: ippy on November 09, 2019, 11:40:35 AM
Why not!

Regards, ippy.


   


I agree.
The fool gives us something to laugh about.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #531 on: November 09, 2019, 12:51:10 PM »
Quote from: ippy on November 09, 2019, 11:40:35 AM
Why not!

Regards, ippy.

And you see no bias in giving excessive air time to Farage rather than say Caroline Lucas of the Green party?
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #532 on: November 09, 2019, 01:13:25 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on November 09, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
   


I agree.
The fool gives us something to laugh about.

Well exactly if that's what you wish to do.

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #533 on: November 09, 2019, 01:21:45 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on November 09, 2019, 12:51:10 PM
And you see no bias in giving excessive air time to Farage rather than say Caroline Lucas of the Green party?

I've no problem with equal representation of both sides of most arguments but having said that if you think they're, the media in general, are presenting a bit more of the leave side of this disagreement it's more because during this period of the pre election the media is legally required to give equal representation to all political sides, you would be right they would be but only because they're legally obliged to do so, otherwise.

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #534 on: November 09, 2019, 01:24:09 PM »
Quote from: ippy on November 09, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
I've no problem with equal representation of both sides of most arguments but having said that if you think they're the media in general are presenting a bit more of the leave side of this disagreement it's more because during the pre election the media is legally required to give equal representation to all political sides you're right they would be but only because they're legally obliged to do so, otherwise.

Regards, ippy.

Bollocks. The papers by a huge majority promoted Brexit. If you are to have equalrepresentation the printed press needs to be included.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #535 on: November 09, 2019, 01:27:48 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on November 09, 2019, 01:24:09 PM
Bollocks. The papers by a huge majority promoted Brexit. If you are to have equalrepresentation the printed press needs to be included.

I can appreciate it must be annoying when the media stops feeding peoples conformation biases.

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #536 on: November 09, 2019, 02:03:32 PM »
Quote from: ippy on November 09, 2019, 01:13:25 PM
Well exactly if that's what you wish to do.

Regards, ippy.
     



Well, given that this topic mainly concerns Scotland, on the occasons Farage had ventured forth north of the Tweed to meet ordinary Scots, his reception has been less than cordial, then, yes; amusement at his stupidity comes to mind.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #537 on: November 09, 2019, 02:13:35 PM »
May I say something about Farage which is not relevant to the 2nd Indy Referendum?
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #538 on: November 09, 2019, 02:29:41 PM »
Quote from: Robbie on November 09, 2019, 02:13:35 PM
May I say something about Farage which is not relevant to the 2nd Indy Referendum?
   


As long as iy shows him for the fool he is, then, by all means!
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #539 on: November 09, 2019, 03:00:10 PM »
No, it'll show me for the fool I am so let us forget it.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #540 on: November 13, 2019, 01:45:14 PM »
Corbyn says he would prevent a second independence referendum if he became PM, so I heard on the lunchtime news.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #541 on: November 13, 2019, 02:17:51 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on November 13, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
Corbyn says he would prevent a second independence referendum if he became PM, so I heard on the lunchtime news.
   


Problem with that, though, is that iif, as expected, most Labour seats in Scotland are wiped out, should he try to stymie the indyref, the SNP will simoply use it as an anti-Scottish recruiting policy frrom Westminster.
Failure to implement a secomd indyref on a rising tide of nationalist MPs simply destabilises the 'union' further.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #542 on: December 10, 2019, 12:33:06 PM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #543 on: December 10, 2019, 09:40:54 PM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2019, 07:34:02 AM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #545 on: December 19, 2019, 11:11:07 AM »
Quote from: ippy on November 09, 2019, 01:27:48 PM
I can appreciate it must be annoying when the media stops feeding peoples conformation biases.

Regards, ippy.

I look forward to the day when that happens.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #546 on: December 19, 2019, 09:58:54 PM »
SNP only got such a high number of seats because of FPTP. They are saying they have a mandate for Indyref 2 but if you go by the overall proportion of votes they got, maybe they don't have one?
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #547 on: December 19, 2019, 10:07:53 PM »
Quote from: Spud on December 19, 2019, 09:58:54 PM
SNP only got such a high number of seats because of FPTP. They are saying they have a mandate for Indyref 2 but if you go by the overall proportion of votes they got, maybe they don't have one?

Then maybe, by the same token, the GE result does not give Johnson a mandate for Brexit - yet he insists he has one.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #548 on: December 20, 2019, 08:35:13 AM »
Quote from: Spud on December 19, 2019, 09:58:54 PM
SNP only got such a high number of seats because of FPTP. They are saying they have a mandate for Indyref 2 but if you go by the overall proportion of votes they got, maybe they don't have one?
I would agree -  though it means that the Tories don't have a mandate either and no govt has had one in recent times. Of course Thatcher said that if the SNP got the majority of seats in Scotland then it was a mandate for Scottish independence - not just a referendum. Effectively their mandate comes from the Scottish Parliament elections, which are proportional, and given the vote yesterday was 68 - 54 for the referendum bill, then that's where the argument lies.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #549 on: December 20, 2019, 04:17:25 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on December 19, 2019, 10:07:53 PM
Then maybe, by the same token, the GE result does not give Johnson a mandate for Brexit - yet he insists he has one.
Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 20, 2019, 08:35:13 AM
I would agree -  though it means that the Tories don't have a mandate either and no govt has had one in recent times. Of course Thatcher said that if the SNP got the majority of seats in Scotland then it was a mandate for Scottish independence - not just a referendum. Effectively their mandate comes from the Scottish Parliament elections, which are proportional, and given the vote yesterday was 68 - 54 for the referendum bill, then that's where the argument lies.

I agree - Tories got 13.9 million votes, other parties about 15 or 16 million (can't recall which) between them. Greens almost 1 million and they only got 1 seat.
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