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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #600 on: December 17, 2020, 10:11:08 AM »
We put three in a row as a blip.
Ten in a row as remarkable.
Now the seventeenth poll in a row has 58% in favour of independence.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #601 on: January 06, 2021, 11:24:06 AM »
The idea that the election should not be held is fitless wuckery

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55545738
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #602 on: January 06, 2021, 01:33:10 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
The idea that the election should not be held is fitless wuckery

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55545738



      I think Johnson, so-called 'minister for the Union', would dearly like to postpone the election, but this would be a daft idea, since all other parties would milk his idea as Tory gerrymandering.


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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #603 on: January 06, 2021, 01:48:12 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on January 06, 2021, 01:33:10 PM



      I think Johnson, so-called 'minister for the Union', would dearly like to postpone the election, but this would be a daft idea, since all other parties would milk his idea as Tory gerrymandering.
Hmm... The first suggestion I saw about this was from Labour.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #604 on: January 06, 2021, 02:02:24 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 06, 2021, 01:48:12 PM
Hmm... The first suggestion I saw about this was from Labour.
     




Given Leonard's dire performance, a delay in the election would be the only way he could remain leader. Whatever happens on election day, his coat's on a shoogly nail.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #605 on: January 06, 2021, 02:05:23 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on January 06, 2021, 02:02:24 PM
     




Given Leonard's dire performance, a delay in the election would be the only way he could remain leader. Whatever happens on election day, his coat's on a shoogly nail.
SLAB are in their own wee internecine war. TBH the entirety of Scottish politics at the moment is just parties fighting themselves, or being so crap that they can't even manage that.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #606 on: January 22, 2021, 07:50:38 PM »
Case to avoid the UK govt having to approve a 2nd indyref. The position of the Lord Advocate is an odd one

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55751064
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #607 on: January 30, 2021, 12:21:42 PM »
Stay out of independence debate for the sake of the Union, Unionist says to Johnson

https://news.stv.tv/politics/pm-should-stay-out-of-independence-debate-no-campaign-boss-urges?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #608 on: January 30, 2021, 02:14:20 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on January 30, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
Stay out of independence debate for the sake of the Union, Unionist says to Johnson

https://news.stv.tv/politics/pm-should-stay-out-of-independence-debate-no-campaign-boss-urges?amp&__twitter_impression=true
   

You can't blame him after the orange twit's latest political jaunt up north,.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #609 on: February 06, 2021, 10:03:21 AM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #610 on: February 06, 2021, 10:08:04 AM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #611 on: February 06, 2021, 10:46:29 AM »
 When old Phil pops his clogs - and I wish him every good wish for continued health - Eddy will be 'Duke of Edinburgh'. The women of Edinburgh were wont to cast their refuse and sewerage into the streets in the nineteenth century, with the warning cry 'Gardyloo'! In Eddy's case, they should refrain from the warning.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #612 on: February 06, 2021, 10:58:15 AM »
Seen elsewhere



'Last time the English sent someone called Edward to help solve a Scottish problem, it didn't really end well.'
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #613 on: February 06, 2021, 11:04:33 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on February 06, 2021, 10:58:15 AM
Seen elsewhere



'Last time the English sent someone called Edward to help solve a Scottish problem, it didn't really end well.'



You meanEdward Balliol, 'Toom tabard's' son?
He was installed by Edward III of the English as puppet king, David II being in exile.
He didn't last long.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #614 on: February 06, 2021, 11:18:48 AM »
Quote from: Anchorman on February 06, 2021, 11:04:33 AM



You meanEdward Balliol, 'Toom tabard's' son?
He was installed by Edward III of the English as puppet king, David II being in exile.
He didn't last long.
I think they were referring to Eddie II
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #615 on: February 06, 2021, 11:30:02 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on February 06, 2021, 10:03:21 AM
Ha!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9229625/amp/Secret-No-10-plan-send-Prince-Edward-live-Edinburgh-save-Union.html?__twitter_impression=true

I wonder which genius thought this up since I suspect it may well have exactly the opposite effect from that intended.

In my experience, which is of course based on an unrepresentative sample of people I know, most of those I do know who support Scottish Independence also envisage Scotland becoming a republic a.s.a.p. after independence.

 
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #616 on: February 06, 2021, 11:41:03 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on February 06, 2021, 11:18:48 AM
I think they were referring to Eddie II
 


Whether Longshanks of England was really Edward I of England is moot.
Surely theitr 'Edward the Confessor' would be Edward I.

Scotland has had only three Edwards.
Edward Balliol.
Edward, Vicky's son,
And Edward, Hitler's pal.
We don't need any more.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #617 on: February 06, 2021, 11:43:17 AM »
Quote from: Gordon on February 06, 2021, 11:30:02 AM
I wonder which genius thought this up since I suspect it may well have exactly the opposite effect from that intended.

In my experience, which is of course based on an unrepresentative sample of people I know, most of those I do know who support Scottish Independence also envisage Scotland becoming a republic a.s.a.p. after independence.
   

Yep.
Though, having met wee Eddy, if he comes here as 'chookie Embro', he'll forward the Yes cause no end.

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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #618 on: February 07, 2021, 12:27:24 PM »
Meanwhile the factionalism in the independence movement is highlighted by a theoretically unifying group being announced.


https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/02/now-scotland/
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #619 on: February 15, 2021, 12:34:59 PM »

This is quite brutal on the SNP, and Mandy Rhodes has been sympathetic to them in the past.

https://www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,something-rotten?fbclid=IwAR1ROtwJEQddzt1MwBLvbwAsRufrQX1cr7xUBG9WXggYszhf6AdxY-CpH9U
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #620 on: February 22, 2021, 08:09:21 PM »
      Disregard the source. "the National" can be a bit of a rabble-rouser; nevertheless the author of this article is a respected ex BBC figure, and his musings are thought provoking.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19106059.gavin-esler-journey-end-britain/?fbclid=IwAR2UThIyro3h5XSSEf9XRIPQdkAIhBgdLfioxYBJdgHhyy4Dqy4UQGI3eUI
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #621 on: March 07, 2021, 10:19:23 AM »
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #622 on: March 07, 2021, 10:54:09 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on March 07, 2021, 10:19:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/07/most-scots-would-back-remaining-in-uk-new-poll-suggests


Funny how things change so quickly.
Covid recovery and vaccine bounce will give way to economic wasteland once the smoke clears. Recovery elsewhere will reveal the brexit damage.

Scotland, keep preparing the life raft.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #623 on: March 07, 2021, 11:16:11 AM »
Quote from: DePfeffelred the Ovenready on March 07, 2021, 10:54:09 AM
Covid recovery and vaccine bounce will give way to economic wasteland once the smoke clears. Recovery elsewhere will reveal the brexit damage.

Scotland, keep preparing the life raft.

I don't disagree. I just think it's wise to remember things are never as fixed as we would like them to be, particularly when polls align with our own personal viewpoint.
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Re: 2nd Indy Referendum?
« Reply #624 on: March 07, 2021, 11:30:41 AM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on March 07, 2021, 11:16:11 AM
I don't disagree. I just think it's wise to remember things are never as fixed as we would like them to be, particularly when polls align with our own personal viewpoint.
Yes, but the pattern seems to be that we now tolerate worse and worse.
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